Preparedness for when

D&DD

Right,fed and watered..


This is my paperback bookcase Mar


John Wyndham Day of the triffids
Charles eric maine the big death
james rollins the judas strain
Robert r mccammon swan song
Alex scarrow October skies
George r stewart earth abides
mirs grant feed
walter m miller a canticle for leibowitz
jeff abbott trust me
larry niven lucifers hammer
Stephen king cell,under the dome,liseys story,desperation, and the stand unabridged version
Brian Keene dead sea,city of the dead,darkness on the edge of town,the rising,
joe McKinney flesh eaters,dead city,apocalypse of the dead
jonathan maberry everything hes written,likewise with scott sigler
jeff Carlson plage year trilogy
Robert j sawyer flash forward
Chuck scarborough aftershock
david Williamson monster island
jack kilborn afraid
Richard Matheson I am legend
clive cussler plague ship
warren fahey fragment
hovel in the hills set
craig dilouie infection
susan pfeffer dead and the gone series
Conrad Williams one
john Christopher death of grass
james kussler the long emergency
alex scarrows timeriders series
liz Jensen rapture
gullermo del torro the strain trilogy
Cormac McCarthy the road
Dmitry glukhovsky metro 2033
j l bourne day by day Armageddon
Christian treman black light
david moody autumn set plus everything else lol
alden bell reapers are the angels
kim paffenroth dying to live series
Rhiannon frater the first days etc
john Birmingham after America, angels of vengeance, without warning
james lovegrove united kingdom
last light afterlight alex scarrow again
William forstchen one second after
john Connelly the reapers
james Wesley rawles patriots,how to survive the end of the world as we know it
gavin de becker the gift of fear
cody lundin when hell breaks loose


will that do for now lolol??

VJsmum

i would love.to be bored.LOL

i havent read a book since last August.

i am hoping to next week on my holibobs

mardatha

Got them all copied out on a wee bit of paper. I don't do high tech lol. TY! for all that typing

Frugalsod

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

FRUGALSOD I can only be responsible for myself and my family, I would hate it that others could not prepare as I do, but survival is in part about selfishness and resolution and I would have to put us first.

Many are already too poor to make the necessary changes. Though I am making changes and am preparing for a number of potential problems there can be serious downsides to not helping your neighbours. If there were serious food shortages and it was known that you had a huge stockpile then you could face problems from the authorities for causing food shortages or mobs or the police wanting to take it from you. Though if you give advice on how to make changes that can help and even give them the odd item that can help them then you will not have to live in a fortress fending off the Molotov cocktails.

I think that if we do have a SHTF moment it could be traumatic for many, if there was a gas shortage many might not be able to heat water, or cook, then there could be a water shortage. Each could cause local riots, but if you can offer to heat the water for them with a wood stove or Kelly kettle then you could help people without too many problems. The same could also apply if you can filter water for people.

Also when the crisis ends you could find your reputation destroyed because of how you treated people during the crisis. When you do not put something into society then society can turn against you.

When a crisis appears it is not necessarily a bolt from the blue. It could develop over several weeks, during this time you could finalise your preparations and even warn your neighbours about what to do. That will reduce problems if things deteriorate. The fuel crisis in the UK in 2000 was signposted over several weeks, so you could have adapted without too much effort. The SARS and H5N5 outbreaks were faster to develop but could also be prepared for.

The financial crisis was pretty well signposted and the lack of a recovery was clear in 2008. I knew way back then that everything that the governments and central banks were doing was to stop the banks collapsing. I knew that it would be a thirty year recovery process and one which we probably still have a long way to go no matter what the politicians say. We are probably still decades away from normality because we have not addressed the problems of the 2008 crash. Though I think that the next banking collapse will be impossible for the government to stop. Also when it strikes you will have to have kept a significant amount of cash out of the bank to avoid losing it in a bank collapse. They will simply not reopen the banks until they have raided everyones account like in Cyprus.

siegemode

nuatha wrote: »

You could still complain, which might change the situation for someone else in the future.
Its even more worrying that they went ahead with a treatment in ignorance of your medical records - if you'd been allergic to the polio vaccine ...

In some ways I'm tempted to complain, but from experience with the medical professionals this can often lead to other problems down the line. I'm already down as non compliant and difficult as it is. Having had the cause in the past to obtain a close and dear persons complete medical history it is shocking the assumptions that are recorded, not to mention the offensive and derogatory comments recorded. All this of course then effects the way you are treated by others in the future. Unfortunately when medical records were recorded by computer the old paper records are not always entered or scanned fully. To add to this if you ever moved from one medical practice to another pre 2000 then it is quite possible your complete medical records have not moved with you.

I have a very inquisitive and questioning mind and tend to annoy most professionals who take offence because they see it as a lack of trust. This seems to wind some up , but most of the time I'm just curious. I only become distrustful when I have been ripped off or have met with incompetence and poor service whether it be a Dr, dentist, a plumber, car salesman, electrician or builder etc. And woe betide them then, however as energy levels now dictate I now have to pick my battles and continue to learn from each experience.

GQ I can relate to much of what you say about doctors and health. As mentioned before I also have ME and other probs, OH suffers with both mental and physical health issues. Being a carer with health issues of my own has lead to more dealings with various doctors and clinics than I would wish. It is infuriating and frustrating how many mis diagnoses have been assumed and made with the "just take this pill" response. When this often masks the real issue or causes more problems. When side effects are reported to doctors we have been treated as being the problem and not the meds:mad:

siegemode

mardatha wrote: »

I think doctors come out of medical school feeling like God. Think they know it all and that we will soak up their every word. Mine just says now that their policy on ME is "self help". I said in other words - yer on yer own. He said well yes basically. Then he went on to tell me that some of his other ME patients "rarely leave the house" .. and I said well they prob just gave up coming to the surgery because they don't get any help.

This annoys the hell out of me too. I finally got referred to the ME clinic some years back and discovered that once diagnosed there was little help available and all they could advise was pacing and anti depressants:mad: Now as we all know pacing is all very well in an ideal life but in real life it's often near impossible and those that have no personal experience dismiss ME and the problems it causes. I am convinced that having been referred back to my GP that the clinic is more interested in diagnosing and so justifying it's funding than actually providing help and support. This year I became so low and frustrated with my exhaustion etc I went to my GP concerned that things weren't right and that may be it wasn't just the ME that I have a tendency to blame almost everything on or that it wasn't down to my being of a certain age. Eventually after 3 lots of multiple blood tests (that I practically had to demand) it was discovered that my antibodies were off the scale :eek:. Dr has no idea why and I'm to go back in a month for more tests. I at least feel vindicated now that the tests have shown that all is not right, but I feel like it's a fight to be heard and get help all the time.

Frugalsod

My brother had problems with his doctor not listening, telling him to go home and it was nothing. When he complained and eventually had them do an MRI scan just to shut him up it was not dealt with promptly and he ended up paralysed from a rare condition which he had major surgery and when he changed doctors two years of his medical records simply disappeared.

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FRUGALSOD it goes without saying that I would help neighbours. To my knowledge we are the only house with a woodburner in this part of our road and at the very least they would be welcome to share the warmth and hot water and heat their food on the stove. What I wouldn't do would be to have open house for anyone who came to the door. That's what I mean by being selfish about it. I owe my family safety and in a SHTF situation I would NOT let in anyone I didn't know well who didn't live here in this part of the road no matter how needy, I would have to be certain we could trust them and stay safe. If I had spare stores and my neighbours didn't of course I would help them and some of the older friends we have in the village too, if needs be we'd have them installed in the spare room for the duration of the problem. I'm not worried unduly about reputation, we're pretty established here and help anyone who needs it , we've earned our place and it's taken a long time and everyone knows we help where we can, both of us in our own ways. I'm sorry for anyone who genuinely can't manage for whatever reason to aquire a little rainy day store but I certainly wouldn't put us at risk by being known to give away freely what we had stored.

thriftwizard

I've never had an official diagnosis of ME; the first time I had it (1979, following glandular fever) it was dismissed as a "breakdown" (not sure ME had been "invented" at that point) and the second major flare-up, concurrent with my eldest actually being diagnosed with it, wasn't of much interest to anyone medical as I wasn't working outside the home & therefore didn't need certificates etc. though they did try to give me anti-ds; one doctor having decided that my symptoms such as deep tremor in my legs, halos round objects in my vision, agonising shooting pains, odd blood counts etc were down to "panic attacks" - quite what I was supposed to be panicking about, she never told me!

But what really damaged my faith in our medical system was the fact that I spent 20 years politely mentioning the horrible pain in my right hip. Which obviously was down to the fact that I'd had 5 children & my stomach muscles were shot to pieces, despite the fact that the first time I'd crawled (literally) to the doc with it was a few weeks after having child no. 2... So by the time anyone thought to actually take a look via X-ray, you could bounce an elephant on my stomach (though you might lose it in amongst the wobbly bits) but I had virtually no bone left at all round my hip socket... cue a very rapid early hip replacement, and a very apologetic GP, though to be fair to her it was actually all the people she'd referred me to who had just jumped to the obvious conclusion and not investigated any further.

So I'm afraid I have a tendency to be quite assertive with doctors now, even if they do know it all!

D&DD

It's a hard one isn't it the moral side of things..I suppose it would depend on wether it was likely to be a temporary situation or not. I think we would only ever be able to make the decision wether to help others as the situation arose tbh.


Personally I see a lot of people where I live struggling to pay bills but with enough money for gadgets and their daily weed so would I be prepared to help those in times of need??
You soon get to know who's genuine or not round here and I think I'd only be prepared to help those who I knew were in genuine need.


Every year I try to encourage people to grow a little and bake a little etc and so far very few have bothered doing anything so should I help them if they won't help themselves?
I think in a prolonged situation I would have to move out as people know we grow food and 2 neighbours know I have stores..we'd be ransacked in no time!


I'm always getting doorknocks now for a tin of this,a cup of that,couple of cigs etc etc and half the time it's never returned despite promises to do so,how far do you go helping people when they have the same chances in life and more in some cases than you do..




My answer is there isn't an easy answer.. clear as mud eh??