Preparedness for when

Butterfly_Brain

The "Acidification of Oceans" scare on BBC.

• (Please circulate) Piers Corbyn says: "ITS A PACK OF LIES. This is an old desperate warmist lie elevated by the heirs of Goebbels in the BBC to a NEW BIG SCARE because their weather and climate CO2 fiction has failed so totally. Some facts (not BBC style) might help:

• The CO2 content of the oceans is 50 times that of the atmosphere so even if all the CO2 plunged into the ocean (impossible) the CO2 content of the seas could only go up 2% which given all the 'buffering solution' complexity of the ocean could only have an infintesimal effect on the 'ph' (acidity/alkalinity). See http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews13No43.pdf slide 47.
• Sea Life did not die out, it boomed, in Juarssic and Devonian times in Geological history when CO2 levels were 5x and 10x present in air and sea! (see link above slide 60).
• The reportage that 100% CO2 gas (and what else?) from volcano vents is adverse to some corals / sea life and therefore the 0.04% CO2 concentration in air (1/25th of which is due to Man) is a problem is deranged cretinous deceitful pseudo-science. It's like saying 100% Cyanide is deadly therefore Almond cake is dangerous. Almond cake contains tiny amounts of cyanide but is perfectly safe in large quantities (Similarly large quantities of sweet almonds are safe and smaller numbers of strong bitter ones are also safe but not nice tasting).
• The ocean is alkaline. "Acidification" is a mis-nomer bogey and there would be none even if all the atmosperic CO2 went into the sea - all we could have is potentially a trivial reduction in alkalinity (or in their insane jargon the sea would be 'less caustic' (oops sound like a good thing to do!).
• Coral does not like fresh water - which is non-alkaline - which is why Coral does not grow near river outflows in Australia. This has been the case for millions of years and even quite near the biggest river mouths the fresh water dilutes and Coral grows. The only danger to it is logically strained green ignoramuses {taking a break from Climate tourism polluting the Antarctic with diesel fumes from ice-breaker ships} swimming around to 'save the planet', disturbing sea life and venting their own CO2 from breathing aparatus - which contains much more CO2 than air - onto the reefs.
• The BBC 'Science' and Environment departments propagate lies and should be closed down and their chief editors called to account and taken to Court for misleading the public.

BitterAndTwisted

Frugalsod wrote: »

Look at the large numbers in the US who no longer consider themselves to be middle class.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/04/02/more-americans-see-middle-class-status-slipping/7220635/

Class, in the USA just like the UK, is a funny thing. In the States, regardless of a person's social background or their income, it's totally based on race. Until the downturn I would argue that there wasn't a single white person in the US, no matter how low their income, who would consider themselves working-class.

Now that many people's income levels and their aspirations along with them have gone down the plug-hole they've come to the unwelcome realisation that they were never truly middle-class in the first place. Factory workers, bus drivers and the like who earned a salary rather than an hourly wage all believed themselves to be middle-class.

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Si_Clist wrote: »

Then take the fat childless couple in their 40's who both work full-time less than 2 miles from home. They both drive to work every day, they seem to live on junk food and they're currently having their roof redone, as part of which process they've done away with both chimney stacks. They have a very large back garden which is apparently given over to a collection of sheds and old motorbikes. Should they ever ask us for any help, we are most likely to have just run out of it.

I'm confused, what is it about their lifestyle that you disapprove of? Because they drive a short distance to work? *Confused*

BitterAndTwisted wrote: »

Class, in the USA just like the UK, is a funny thing. In the States, regardless of a person's social background or their income, it's totally based on race. Until the downturn I would argue that there wasn't a single white person in the US, no matter how low their income, who would consider themselves working-class.

Now that many people's income levels and their aspirations along with them have gone down the plug-hole they've come to the unwelcome realisation that they were never truly middle-class in the first place. Factory workers, bus drivers and the like who earned a salary rather than an hourly wage all believed themselves to be middle-class.

I read an interesting piece about the middle class in the US this morning.Is the Middle Class Collapsing? - The Simple Dollar

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Fair bedamned, we've worked bl**dy hard to get the few things we do have, we've known hard times as much as any of you, we've made sensible choices and NOT had the holidays,clothes,hairdoos, make up, new furniture/capets gadgets, not had all the electrical add ons that you can have, we live a quiet and sensible lifestyle, we grow most of our own fruit and veg and I save us a small fortune by doing all I can that is home made, and so does my lovely hardworking down to earth hubby!!!We've had our disruptions and had to go abroad for work at very short notice and when we did eventually get the job here it was after the third round of redundancies and we were moved within 3 weeks, no schools arranged, no say in having to move either, the company demanded committment from my OH and put our house on the market with a chain of estate agents before I was told, SO I do know about disruptions and difficulties, and If anyone ever called me middle class I'd deck them, I'm working class and perishing proud of it - in fact I'm one down from that as all my ancestors were very hard working Peasants!!! Don't preach to the converted my friend, we're there ahead of you and have been there for a considerable time!!!

nuatha

Frugalsod wrote: »

To be fair you are lucky to have had that stability over the years. Many people have not been so lucky. What is slowly happening is that the middle classes are being eroded by financialization and eventually over many years the ability to cope will be gone. Look at the large numbers in the US who no longer consider themselves to be middle class.

Assuming we started off equal, we made our own choices and live by the consequences of them. For several years I worked 100+ hour weeks. I've helped found and run food co-ops and taught basic cooking to community groups.
Luck doesn't come into it, hard work and determination did and does. And when my health fell apart, it was a few close friends and prepping that made the difference between living and not.
I could have done the several foreign holidays per year on credit cards, I could have done the XBox one and 52 inch TV from Brighthouse. Because I chose to spend my money and time differently, does not mean that I should support those who had other priorities and didn't prepare for their own future.

MrsLurcherwalker wrote: »

Fair bedamned, we've worked bl**dy hard to get the few things we do have, we've known hard times as much as any of you, we've made sensible choices and NOT had the holidays,clothes,hairdoos, make up, new furniture/capets gadgets, not had all the electrical add ons that you can have, we live a quiet and sensible lifestyle, we grow most of our own fruit and veg and I save us a small fortune by doing all I can that is home made, and so does my lovely hardworking down to earth hubby!!!We've had our disruptions and had to go abroad for work at very short notice and when we did eventually get the job here it was after the third round of redundancies and we were moved within 3 weeks, no schools arranged, no say in having to move either, the company demanded committment from my OH and put our house on the market with a chain of estate agents before I was told, SO I do know about disruptions and difficulties, and If anyone ever called me middle class I'd deck them, I'm working class and perishing proud of it - in fact I'm one down from that as all my ancestors were very hard working Peasants!!! Don't preach to the converted my friend, we're there ahead of you and have been there for a considerable time!!!

Hear Hear

greenbee

B&T is right - 'middle class' is something very different in the US to hear. Mind you, the combination of snobbery and inverted snobbery in both countries means it is hard to work out whether people are proud or ashamed of their status. Somehow the middle classes in the UK are supposed to apologise for not being working class, whereas the professional classes in the US look down on the middle classes

Mind you, I don't suppose class has any bearing on whether someone is a nice, kind, considerate, caring, decent human being. And even when they are, people are different and don't all get on together - some people you will like but not respect, some respect but not like, some both and some neither, and their opinions of you will vary.

The world would be very boring if everyone was the same (although I do accept that it may be better off without some of GQs neighbours... although even there you can have surprises. The drug-addicted thieving prostitute who used to live next to me in my last place has a daughter who has recently completed a law degree and is hoping to be a solicitor).

Memory_Girl

It is very naughty that my first thought was "that's sensible ..... mates rates!"

MG

Butterfly_Brain

Found this online it is the data base of every company that has had access to our hospital data for the last 10 years without our permission, thus they have breached data confidentiality. There are an awful lot of US and private health companies in there :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

http://www.hscic.gov.uk/media/13787/Register-of-approved-data-releases/pdf/Published_Version_Data_Releases_Register_v1.0.pdf

armyknife

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

The "Acidification of Oceans" scare on BBC.

• (Please circulate) Piers Corbyn says: "ITS A PACK OF LIES. This is an old desperate warmist lie elevated by the heirs of Goebbels in the BBC to a NEW BIG SCARE because their weather and climate CO2 fiction has failed so totally. Some facts (not BBC style) might help:

Calling people Nazis in the first sentence, maybe not the best way to win an discussion.

armyknife

thriftwizard wrote: »

Good golly, Si Clist, that's scary - good job you both stuck to your guns...

We're really lucky to live in a fairly calm & settled neighbourhood, and most of my neighbours are pure gold & welcome to share anything we may have in times of trouble, and without a shadow of doubt would do the same for us. BUT gradually, as the older folk die off, well-to-do young city folk are moving in to the bijou little houses on their way up the ladder to the rose-clad country cottages out to the north. They rarely give us the time of day, don't bother with things like street parties (we do a good celebration down here; we're just trying to think of something to celebrate, this year!) have started a petition to get the (well-used) allotments turned into a car park as there's not a lot of room for giant 4x4s in our little medieval street, cover their gardens with decking & (invasive) bamboo, rip out their larders, pave over the little front gardens, etc. and generally clearly look down on us "local yokels" (actually, most of us were incomers, too, once upon a time!) and somehow I don't think I'd be sharing my food stocks with them.

Mind you, they probably wouldn't want me to anyway, as most of it didn't come from W8rose! It's a shame, though; we were a young family when we moved here, and it was a very mixed-age community; the older residents were an invaluable fund of good common sense, local knowledge & helpfulness. Many a spare Gran sat with my kids for half an hour while I ran up to the chemists or got a loaf of bread & their other halves have always helped with the chickens or the allotment; the old fellow over the road used to have 400 birds and can put a name & treatment to any mysterious avian ailment. But we don't even know the names of the kids of the "newbies" and only ever see them at weekends; it's all a bit sad, really, the death of a little community. I do know it can't be otherwise, as both parents must work all the hours that they can in order to keep the roof over their heads, & their kids are probably safer in their nurseries & after-school care than ours were playing street hockey, but something important has been lost...

Pleased to hear that your 'lottie shed has been untroubled this week, GQ!

I've notice a fair amount of what you've observed, happening here; sad really, I guess that's what comes of intentionally atomising society as a political act, only way to get down to an easily manipulated nuclear family.