Preparedness for when

nuatha

ragz wrote: »

I am pretty sure that is illegal as you did not give informed consent... I would be fuming!

I do wonder just how seriously consent is taken by medical personnel.
A few years back I was asked to sign a medical consent form around 4:30am while high on morphine. Although I did sign, I also queried how legal that was, given that they were fully aware that I couldn't be held legally competent.
Apparently they woke their legal people up early on a Sunday morning who couldn't give a definitive answer, but advised they get me to sign another form pre-op, which they did (after I'd been given even more substantial amounts of morphine).
I had and have no intention of contesting the consent - they literally did save my life, but I have one of those awkward questioning minds.

In the nursing and midwifery guidelines, it states that administering medication "where consent was obtained by deception or where not enough information was given, this could result in an allegation of battery (or civil assault in Scotland)."
Though worryingly, the same guidelines state that cooperating implies consent - surely that does mean that allowing multiple meds to be administered when you are only expecting a single medication.

siegemode

ragz wrote: »

I am pretty sure that is illegal as you did not give informed consent... I would be fuming!
Bedsit Bob - My apologies, I never read the titles of posts, I forget they have them...

The more I think about it the more angry I feel, but can't do much now. They had no idea if I'd had a full course of tetanus in the past as the nurse was unable to see my records on the computer at the Drs. I was surprised at this and so it goes to show that keeping your own records about your health, treatment and meds and jabs is important. Having now spoken to mum and checking through own docs and diaries it looks like I was prob ok and didn't need the shot:(

mrs_lds wrote: »

I though those animals plus rabbits and others all leaving. I was a little scepticle at first as it was near april fools day but apparently it is real

I read about this a few days ago and decided it was a case of watch this space since there is so much alarmist misinfo about. Looks like the msm have now picked up on the story.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/yellowstone-supervolcano-videos-show-animals-fleeing-but-we-have-nothing-to-worry-about-9238398.html

http://rt.com/search/everywhere/term/yellowstone/

At the moment we are watching a documentary on the True Entertainment channel. I wouldn't call it entertainment, it's certainly informative and a real eye opener . Seen it years back but it's always good to remind yourself and try to understand the events of the past in order to get your head around the here and now and prepare for the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhOnJcXPxfE

nuatha

siegemode wrote: »

The more I think about it the more angry I feel, but can't do much now. They had no idea if I'd had a full course of tetanus in the past as the nurse was unable to see my records on the computer at the Drs. I was surprised at this and so it goes to show that keeping your own records about your health, treatment and meds and jabs is important. Having now spoken to mum and checking through own docs and diaries it looks like I was prob ok and didn't need the shot:(

You could still complain, which might change the situation for someone else in the future.
Its even more worrying that they went ahead with a treatment in ignorance of your medical records - if you'd been allergic to the polio vaccine ...

GreyQueen

Morning all.

I'm easing into the day after a rough night (my personal medical probs, not attributable to the neighbours, for once).

Interesting about obtaining consent and general issues.

As you may be aware, I have ME, among other things. And, like many fellow long-term sufferers, I have had dozens of frustrating encounters with the medical profession. During the decade + pre-diagnosis, I was at my then GP to seek help for the exhaustion. Again.

He subjected me to a beyond-patronising lecture about how sometimes depression manifests itself as exceptional tiredness and tried to browbeat me into taking a prescription for anti-depressants. I refused as I did not believe I was depressed, then or now.

This charming man almost snarled with frustration and then said he'd refer me to a sleep disorders clinic, saying that if they want you to take something, you'll have to take it! Excuse me, but as a mentally-competant adult, I can refuse any medical treatment I like, even if I die as a result. That he thought he could b*ll***t me like this was shocking.

Before the appointment came from the specialist clinic, it was found that my fatigue was being worsened by a carbon monoxide leak from the gas fire in my parents' home where I was living at the time, and I improved dramatically within hours of its being disconnected. He never thought to ask about that possibility, despite it being a bitterly-cold January and my living in town, with an almost 100% likelihood of being on gas central heating.

I'm being kept alive by medication, but not before the medical profession nearly killed me through neglect by being so wedded to the idea that I ought to be taking mood-altering medication to save them investigating the problem properly.

No disrespect to those who have depressive illnesses is intended, by the way. But I don't have them, have never had them, and such low-moods as I have had have been brief, attributable to a difficult situation and resolvable within minutes of the situation improving, such as the low-mood of unemployment being resolved by a job offer.

I must remember to ask my GP when next we meet about my tetanus-shot history. I have had them, but don't know how many or how long ago. As a gardener and someone who enjoys fossicking around in the countryside, I ought to ensure that I'm properly covered.

Today is mostly-sunny but I will have a slow start, run some errands this morning, and go up after lunch, so wait for the latest bulletin from that hotbed of crime, The Allotment Saga. Years ago, one of the geezers who no longer has a plot was up there as he'd had a row with the missus and was dossing down in his shed. He disturbed intruders who crept in through the site fence. A small amount of blood was drawn from one of them with a garden fork. Allegedly.

Let's just hope they'd had their tetanus shots.........:p

mardatha

I've lost count of the times my gp told me I should take anti depressants GQ. I said well by god if folk with ME aren't depressed to begin with, you lot will make sure we end up that way cos you're useless!

GreyQueen

They can be absolute burgers to ME-ers, can't they?

:mad: I told this man at the time, I am not depressed, I am fed up with feeling exhausted all the time.

He also declared to me that ME didn't exist three weeks after the British Medical Association had loudly announced all over the media that the recognised ME as an organic illness. !!!!!!.

Mind you, some doctors refused to accept that tuberculosis was a disease of the body, not a form of neurosis, long after mycobacterium tuberculosis was identified as the cause.

mardatha

I think doctors come out of medical school feeling like God. Think they know it all and that we will soak up their every word. Mine just says now that their policy on ME is "self help". I said in other words - yer on yer own. He said well yes basically. Then he went on to tell me that some of his other ME patients "rarely leave the house" .. and I said well they prob just gave up coming to the surgery because they don't get any help.

GreyQueen

My ME was eventually confirmed by one of the few specialist hospital clinics in the country. By that time I'd had it 15 years, lol.

Because of my metabolic disorder, the diagnosis was relatively easy once I got there; all things that they would have tested for had been tested for at that point, and eliminated. ME is a default diagnosis - they eliminate everything else it could be first. I do have a mystery virus in my blood which was once thought to be Lyme Disease (I have lived in an area where it was prevalent) but was then declared not-Lyme-we-don't-know-mystery virus. End of.

The specialist clinic discussed how I was managing my ME and confirmed that they couldn't teach me anything about managing it that I didn't know already, having had 15 years to experiment on myself. So discharged with an official diagnosis and left to get on with it.

They were nice people, tho, it was so good not to be taken for a neurotic or a would-be leadswinger.

Righty, heading off to the haberdashery (I love that word) for a zip for me troosers and a few other errands inc a charity shop donation bag drop off. Got to be decluttered to have room for my preps.;)

D&DD

Morning all
Despite the weather forecast saying rain the sun is shining so my baking day has now turned into another potting on day while I get the chance!


Need to do some second and third sowings too to keep the supplies going..I say this every year then it always goes to awry lol..


Quick q I don't think I've ever had a tetanus jab,should I have??
Never *touch wood* had to attend hospital other than delivering babies and my eye thingie but no accidents where it would warrant one.


I was thinking it might have been a good thing to have seeing as I spend so much time outdoors and have the animals etc what do you think??


New series in the states the 100 looks pretty good and has anyone seen Perfect sense with Ewan McGregor?? It's a very,very good film.You have to stick with it a bit at the start as you can't tell whats going on but I thought it was one of the best films I have seen for a while.


GQ I did manage to watch that irish one you recommended 100 mornings I think it was,very good but quite a brutal and realistic take on things wasn't it rather than the 'everyone lives happily ever after/good life' approach that a lot of these films have.


I also watched How we live now which was the same,quite sad and very shocking in parts. A lot of the current films seem to be taking this sort of track.


Right better get cracking have a great day all XX

GreyQueen

DD&D, I thought 100 Mornings was pretty realistic. I like that they didn't articulate what had happened, why there was nothing on the radio, why the couple who were guests of the other couple felt they couldn't go back to Dublin, why the village had armed guards who wouldn't let them as outsiders come in.

By not articulating what kind of S had HTF, they allowed free rein to concentrate on the consequences. I thought the monotony, the uncertainty of what people should be doing, the claustrophobia, very believeable. At what point do you say, This is It, the old world is gone, we must adjust to the new world?

The village securing itself under a sort-of martial law, and the eventual compromise made by one of the characters (shan't spoil it for those who may wish to see it in future) seemed very believable.

A slow slide into a monotonous disaster, with brief outbursts of conflict over resources, seemed entrirely credible to me.

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Have been to the shops and un-shopped a charity shop donation bag, visited the Magic Greengrocer (£1 got me a large bunch of black grapes, head of celery, about a lb of carrots and punnet of button mushrooms). I will meal-plan around that for the next few days.

Am cooking some rice from the cupboard which needed finishing up. I'm living off the stores for the starchy element of my diet until my own potatoes are harvested, probably early July. This is giving me a chance to rotate through the rice, pasta and tinned potatoes. I will replace each pkt or tin with a new one as it is used up, to keep the stock levels up and fresh.

Remember your rotations, lovely peeps, and keep an eye on the stores in case some little friends are trying to dine at your expense.