Could you do it?

McKneff

Are we getting away from the point.

I truly believe that anyone who does what he has done to children is down to his mentality, he is or certainly was sick in the head, sick, sick, sick, it has to be that, No sane person could do that, I cannot think beyond that, it makes me wonder has he had any counselling since he has been incarcerated, has he shown any remorse. I sincerely dont know. We only know what the papers tell us.

adelight

If my job was to care for patients and he was my patient then I'd do my job and care for him. I probably wouldn't be able to be very friendly or build up a rapport but I wouldn't try to make him suffer (that's cruel whoever it is). I'm impressed he's still alive after all the tube feeding and life in prison, surely he'll die soon enough.

Torry_Quine

londonsurrey wrote: »

I've accompanied a deliberate overdose patient to A&E, and they didn't do anything other than monitor the patient, refusing to pump the stomach.

I was told by a nurse from another hospital that they do tend to leave overdose patients to it as they view them with scorn.

So, one actual experience and one bit of hearsay is all I have to go on so far as to how a "less worthy" patient may be treated (or not!) in these circumstances.

Not all overdose patients need to have their stomach pumped though so it wasn't necessarily wrong to monitor them alone. That said I have heard some terrible attitudes towards those who are deemed to have deliberately hurt themself.

SnowyOwl_2

It is not the place for any nurse or doctor or any other carer to take it upon themselves to further punish anyone for whatever they have done. They are not there to judge. This man, Ian Brady, has been through the justice system and his punishment was meted out by the courts.

A friend of mine was a community based carer, going to peoples homes. There was one particular man who needed quite a lot of help but she was often scheduled to go to him alone. Eventually he went into residential care, but she found out that he had been previously convicted for rape and sex abuse. At least the staff of the hospital where Ian Brady is know who he is and are never left alone with him.

conradmum

McKneff wrote: »

Are we getting away from the point.

I truly believe that anyone who does what he has done to children is down to his mentality, he is or certainly was sick in the head, sick, sick, sick, it has to be that, No sane person could do that, I cannot think beyond that, it makes me wonder has he had any counselling since he has been incarcerated, has he shown any remorse. I sincerely dont know. We only know what the papers tell us.

This is so true. And all the papers are interested in is selling more newspapers. We can't rely on them to accurately report facts. They'll tell the most popular story that people want to hear, and we all want someone to hate and be better than.

To answer the OP, I simply have no idea. All I know of this man are his terrible crimes of 50 years ago and a few facts from Wikipedia. I should think if I were required to care for him my attitude would be mostly determined by how he seemed to me at the time. I think we naturally react to humans as individuals when we see them at close quarters over long periods of time, regardless of what we may know about them.

Shocking and horrific though it may seem, if I got to know him really well and he just seemed to be a sad and pathetic old man, I'd probably treat him as such. If he seemed to still be a psycopathic murderer then my attitude would reflect that too.

I'm not arguing we should feel compassion for him, but that none of us know enough to know how we would really react.

One thing that has occurred to me reading these comments, though, is that most of the posters on this board are parents. If we don't think upbringing has a strong influence on how our children turn out, why do we put so much effort into it? Do any of us know anything at all about why Ian Brady did what he did?

Hatred is the easy option. Revenge and punishment won't (and hasn't) stopped someone else doing the same thing again. I'm more interested in comprehending what happened and why.

wondercollie

I've cared for a local murderer and serial sex offender at my workplace. Basically, you are never alone with them. A prison guard is in the room with you at all times.

My last prisoner was shackled to the bed. And yes, I padded the shackles because I didn't want skin breakdown. Was I kind, no. Practical, yes. Skin breakdown would have extended his stay and time out the pen.

Murderers are easy to deal with. Be polite, be professional, be efficient.

Teenaged "hardmen" are the worst. All mouth and trying to be tough. The last one thought hospital was a break from jail and kept trying to use the unit phone. I asked him how often he was allowed to recieve and make phone calls in jail, he wasn't impressed. The guards felt that several nurses on my unit had missed their calling and should be in the prison service because we don't coddle prisoners.

Drug dealers are the worst. They try to intimidate you. One was trying to impress me with tales of his bust in another province. Turned out my brother kicked down his front door. He was all on about this big mean SOB, should have seen his face when I told him he was in town to visit us and would be picking me up at the end of my shift. Very well behaved man after that.

Oh, and I don't hate anybody. Hatred uses up to much energy.

Person_one

londonsurrey wrote: »

I've accompanied a deliberate overdose patient to A&E, and they didn't do anything other than monitor the patient, refusing to pump the stomach.

I was told by a nurse from another hospital that they do tend to leave overdose patients to it as they view them with scorn.

So, one actual experience and one bit of hearsay is all I have to go on so far as to how a "less worthy" patient may be treated (or not!) in these circumstances.

Are you sure you've understood that correctly? Refusing a necessary treatment is seriously unethical/illegal, are you sure it wasn't that the patient didn't need their stomach 'pumped'?

thatgirlsam

londonsurrey wrote: »

I've accompanied a deliberate overdose patient to A&E, and they didn't do anything other than monitor the patient, refusing to pump the stomach.

I was told by a nurse from another hospital that they do tend to leave overdose patients to it as they view them with scorn.

So, one actual experience and one bit of hearsay is all I have to go on so far as to how a "less worthy" patient may be treated (or not!) in these circumstances.

Really? A Nurse really told you that?

There are many reasons why someones stomach would not be pumped. Loads of complications can come about from this technique and not many hospitals will do it these days.

thatgirlsam

Person_one wrote: »

Are you sure you've understood that correctly? Refusing a necessary treatment is seriously unethical/illegal, are you sure it wasn't that the patient didn't need their stomach 'pumped'?

There are loads of reasons why hospitals don't do gastric lavage anymore, I think statistically it has been shown to prove more harm than good

sassyblue

floss2 wrote: »

You don't quite get the physical behaviour of the moor - you can bury anything one day and go back the next and it wouldn't be in the exact same place. He was taken back at least 3 times to my knowledge and on each occasion has pointed out the same markers....they now bear no relevance to where Keith Bennett's body lies.

Don't assume anything, l understand it quite well.