cyclist deaths & the law

Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

and I dont want to be killed
sadly when this happens,it seems many drivers get a free pass regardless of their actions.

So what sentence would be appropriate, the death penalty or banning the car?

sinbad182

Custardy and his desire to absolve cyclists of all self preservation whilst placing all of the onus on car drivers for cyclist safety is a perfect case study of why some cyclists have so little regard or responsibility for their own well being.

Any legitimate concern or grievance regarding the conduct of cycle users is met with petulant foot stamping and a typical retort of 'but, but, but car drivers do THIS'. There's no middle ground - you're either with the cyclists or the motorist. Its a dangerous attitude and one which I'm sure is the root cause for some cyclists getting into trouble more than others.

custardy

Mark_Mark wrote: »

So what sentence would be appropriate, the death penalty or banning the car?

I would expect a punishment severe enough to act as a deterrent(which is what most punishments are/should be?)
Look at the thread. Do you see much deterrent in driving recklessness around cyclists?

custardy

sinbad182 wrote: »

Custardy and his desire to absolve cyclists of all self preservation whilst placing all of the onus on car drivers for cyclist safety is a perfect case study of why some cyclists have so little regard or responsibility for their own well being.

Any legitimate concern or grievance regarding the conduct of cycle users is met with petulant foot stamping and a typical retort of 'but, but, but car drivers do THIS'. There's no middle ground - you're either with the cyclists or the motorist. Its a dangerous attitude and one which I'm sure is the root cause for some cyclists getting into trouble more than others.

You have a whole(well multiple) threads on the subject of cyclists where you can post you tube links to your hearts consent.
THis thread relates to the legal ramifications.
However we have the same old dirge posted up.
look past your bias and see there are people going about their business,meeting the letter of the law and being killed/injured with little or no consequence to the person that caused it.
THe irony of the statement in red is hilarious.I am both,however I can see past the classic blinkered motorist view.
I see it on every cyclist thread,every new article with comments and on the roads in either mode of transport

Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

I would expect a punishment severe enough to act as a deterrent(which is what most punishments are/should be?)
Look at the thread. Do you see much deterrent in driving recklessness around cyclists?

Isn't 14 years in prison enough of a deterrent?

You need to get up to date though because reckless driving went off the books about 20 years ago.

Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

You have a whole(well multiple) threads on the subject of cyclists where you can post you tube links to your hearts consent.
THis thread relates to the legal ramifications.
However we have the same old dirge posted up.
look past your bias and see there are people going about their business,meeting the letter of the law and being killed/injured with little or no consequence to the person that caused it.
THe irony of the statement in red is hilarious.I am both,however I can see past the classic blinkered motorist view.
I see it on every cyclist thread,every new article with comments and on the roads in either mode of transport

You see you see it but do you?

All you keep harping on about is there is no deterrent they are not punished enough. What solution do you suggest?

sinbad182

custardy wrote: »

You have a whole(well multiple) threads on the subject of cyclists where you can post you tube links to your hearts consent.
THis thread relates to the legal ramifications.
However we have the same old dirge posted up.
look past your bias and see there are people going about their business,meeting the letter of the law and being killed/injured with little or no consequence to the person that caused it.
THe irony of the statement in red is hilarious.I am both,however I can see past the classic blinkered motorist view.
I see it on every cyclist thread,every new article with comments and on the roads in either mode of transport

'Look past your bias'

Jeez I've heard it all now, talk about pot calling the kettle black!

'People just going about their business'

Like the cyclist who pedaled after a car looking for a fight and ended up getting knocked out, who you also tried to exonerate?

'People being killed with little consequence to those that caused it'

Perhaps that's because a lot of these accidents aren't caused by the evil motorist, as you're so desperate to insinuate. We have a fairly robust legal system in this country, I have no reason to believe cyclist deaths aren't investigated and prosecuted properly.

'I can see beyond the blinkered motorist view'

Yeah, all the way to the hilariously cliched blinkered cyclist view. Perhaps if you tried to persuade your fellow cyclists to take some responsibility for themselves on the road instead of placing the entire onus on car users, cyclist safety records might improve?

Oh, and as said in the other thread, grow up. You seem to have all the responsibility and reasoning skills of a petulant teenager, which for someone who claims to have been a road user for 20+ years is pretty shocking.

custardy

Mark_Mark wrote: »

You see you see it but do you?

All you keep harping on about is there is no deterrent they are not punished enough. What solution do you suggest?

Well Mark as we have seen in the recent lorry injuring a cyclist.
Even when a legal solution was there,the charge was downgraded.
Despite a cyclist still requiring treatment near 12 months later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415859/Hope-Fennell-death-Lorry-driver-crushed-13-year-old-girl-truck-texted-girlfriend-released-just-THREE-months.html

What about this one? I don't know about you,but when I drive away at a ped crossing,I do a full visual sweep to check there's nobody around. Whilst green means go,it doesnt mean plough on regardless.
As an HGV driver,I would expect them to stop short enough of the crossing to allow them to actually see the crossing.
I obviously don't know the situation with the time she entered the crossing,lights etc
However in areas where school kids are about,extra care is needed.

custardy

sinbad182 wrote: »

'Look past your bias'

Jeez I've heard it all now, talk about pot calling the kettle black!

'People just going about their business'

Like the cyclist who pedaled after a car looking for a fight and ended up getting knocked out, who you also tried to exonerate?
and once again. You already have multiple threads on this. As I said in that thread(though you choose to ignore it) The cyclist was a !!!! in his behaviour)
'People being killed with little consequence to those that caused it'

Perhaps that's because a lot of these accidents aren't caused by the evil motorist, as you're so desperate to insinuate. We have a fairly robust legal system in this country, I have no reason to believe cyclist deaths aren't investigated and prosecuted properly.
and yet even when you see multiple occassions where they are,its still not relevant?
'I can see beyond the blinkered motorist view'

Yeah, all the way to the hilariously cliched blinkered cyclist view. Perhaps if you tried to persuade your fellow cyclists to take some responsibility for themselves on the road instead of placing the entire onus on car users, cyclist safety records might improve?
well who are these cyclists,or is this all cyclists you have clumped together? ARe they dodging all the drunk,speeding motorists?
Oh, and as said in the other thread, grow up. You seem to have all the responsibility and reasoning skills of a petulant teenager, which for someone who claims to have been a road user for 20+ years is pretty shocking.

Ah the usual little shot over the bows.
You will note unlike yourself I seem to have the ability to control my temper and reflect it in my posting style.
Your temprament however is what I would expect

Mark_Mark

custardy wrote: »

Well Mark as we have seen in the recent lorry injuring a cyclist.
Even when a legal solution was there,the charge was downgraded.
Despite a cyclist still requiring treatment near 12 months later.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415859/Hope-Fennell-death-Lorry-driver-crushed-13-year-old-girl-truck-texted-girlfriend-released-just-THREE-months.html

What about this one? I don't know about you,but when I drive away at a ped crossing,I do a full visual sweep to check there's nobody around. Whilst green means go,it doesnt mean plough on regardless.
As an HGV driver,I would expect them to stop short enough of the crossing to allow them to actually see the crossing.
I obviously don't know the situation with the time she entered the crossing,lights etc
However in areas where school kids are about,extra care is needed.

First of all he was jailed for dangerous driving. Please explain how you think the charge was down graded. It the most serious offence for driving in the uk.

He's conformed in prison so had his sentence reduced. Just like every other prisoner can. Another non story from the daily mail.