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Would you like the UK out of the European Union?
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Miss_Havisham wrote: »very interesting comments thank you. I don't have a clue and i'm certain that the majority of people in the UK don't either. This is why i don't believe a referendum on such an important and critical affair of state should be put to the vote in this way.
If you don't have a clue you don't have to vote in a referendum.
What I suspect is happening, as DC and WH are no doubt fully aware from the behind the scenes discussions, is that the EU has decided to pursue a federal union. This is probably the price of Germany's latest concession. It will be a big bone of contention in many of the countries, but it seems that eventually they all do what they are told regarding "more Europe". In the UK the government knows that it cannot possibly pursue that, even if it wanted to, without a referendum. But there has to be a clear cut choice :- is it federal union versus out ? is it federal union versus a looser trade agreement ? is it something else ? Until that is clear there can be no meaningful referendum. I suspect this will end up with about two thirds to three quarters of the present EU in a united states of Europe and the rest including the UK as members of a trade pact with it.
But I don't see how anyone could want to see national sovereignty given up irrevocably without a direct say.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
except you're wrong. Chances are that the poll represents what would happen accross a wider sample of the UK population.
It doesn't fit in with your view of course so we're back to pseudo intelligent name calling (golden librarians and something about sock drawers?)
Let's see what happens in this one;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/jul/01/eu-europe-news?fb=native
I think I know what the result will be already.
And here we are. The result exactly as I suspected.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/jul/01/eu-europe-news?fb=native
58% of voters want out of the EU. A remarkably similair figure to the result of the OP's opinioin poll on here. Only it's not remarkable, since we all knew what the result would be. Except Hamish.
Anyway there you go, 58% of the UK population, including me, are bigoted.:laugh:0 -
Of either party.A referendum will bring down the government
Here's hoping...
Meanwhile in other news, the French police have searched the home and offices of ex-President Sarkozy and found the God particle."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9378567/The-time-will-never-be-right-for-David-Cameron-to-hold-a-referendum-on-the-EU.html#
Good article in today's Telegraph.
Every time I hear the phrase; "3.5 million British jobs depend on us remaining part of the European Union" I give myself a good face palm and fall asleep out of boredom arising from hearing utter stupdity once again. Nigel Farage comments on that issue;Mr Cameron claims that 3.5 million British jobs depend on us remaining part of the European Union. This comment always goes undisputed. It is based on the number of jobs dependent on exports to the EU and assumes that leaving the union would mean no further business between us and the EU – an incredibly weak, illogical argument. In 2010, the EU sold us £50 billion worth of goods more than we sold them. In short, they need us more than we need them. There is no chance of Mercedes, for example, refusing to sell us cars if we amicably divorce ourselves from political union.0 -
The kind of rubbish we expect from Farrago.In 2010, the EU sold us £50 billion worth of goods more than we sold them. In short, they need us more than we need them.
EU exports to the UK as a fraction of total EU exports?
UK exports to the EU as a fraction of total UK exports?
What was that about lies and statistics?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
The kind of rubbish we expect from Farrago.
EU exports to the UK as a fraction of total EU exports?
UK exports to the EU as a fraction of total UK exports?
What was that about lies and statistics?
I didn't realise that Norway (as just one example) didn't trade, and indeed appear to be banned from trading, with the EU. Thanks for the infoThe J is a Financial Advisor-This site doesn't check anyone's status and as such any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice. Always seek professional advice.0 -
The kind of rubbish we expect from Farrago.
EU exports to the UK as a fraction of total EU exports?
UK exports to the EU as a fraction of total UK exports?
What was that about lies and statistics?
The exact balance and terms of trade is not of the essence. Even if stupid and spiteful politicians and Eurocrats tried to punish the UK, or any other country, for not towing the federalist line, commercial and business interests would win out and sanity would prevail. Over time there might be some reduction in Euro trade, but there's a whole world out there waiting to be traded with. Necessity being the mother of invention the UK would be well placed to go and get it. Some of the money currently poured down the drain of contributing to the useless, damaging, and corrupt EU bureaucracy could be diverted to supporting and encouraging our businesses to achieve new trade deals with nations who are happy to trade with you without wanting to take over your country.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
The kind of rubbish we expect from Farrago.
Lol. Perhaps we should put our faith in this man instead;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ2n7oMcSi0
(I know I know, I keep posting that video but it's one of the funniest things I have ever seen, I can't believe someone can tell so many LIES and not flinch).......EU exports to the UK as a fraction of total EU exports?
UK exports to the EU as a fraction of total UK exports?
What was that about lies and statistics?
NOt sure what your specific point is. It doesn' take a genius to work out that we don't need to be part of a policital union to be able to trade with it, not to mention that membership of the EU prohibits us from trading globally.
Prediction - Cameron will not accept that debate - I wonder why this is?
Cameron three line whipped Tory MP's into opposing a refendum on the EU - I wonder why this is? Most conceded in order to guard their precious careers.
Camerson has ruled out an in/out referendum, I wonder why this is? I suspect because like me, he knows what the result will be, 60% of people will vote OUT.0 -
It's about the ridiculous non-sequitur that they need us more than we need them.NOt sure what your specific point is."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
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