Would you like the UK out of the European Union?

vivatifosi

A._Badger wrote: »

Odd. I see this forum as dominated by the disciples of Keynes.

In either case, a "Right wing" forum would almost certainly have returned a far greater percentage in favour of getting out. And a libertarian one, even more so.

Funny that. I'd say its slightly more right than left but it does have two different cohorts. I'd describe myself as a concerned centrist though, which means I have different bedfellows depending on the discussion.

What's also interesting is that you could also have pro- or anti- babyboomers, who equally could be from the left or the right.

Then you have people who are bearish or bullish on housing and could also be from left or right.

The more I'm describing it the more I see an analogy of the forum being a spreading bacteria, so best I shut up now.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

This poll would have been more interesting if we could see who voted for which answer.

Chances are the silver liberation army voted no with all 20 of their sockies...

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

This poll would have been more interesting if we could see who voted for which answer.

Chances are the silver liberation army voted no with all 20 of their sockies...

except you're wrong. Chances are that the poll represents what would happen accross a wider sample of the UK population.

It doesn't fit in with your view of course so we're back to pseudo intelligent name calling (golden librarians and something about sock drawers?)

Let's see what happens in this one;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/poll/2012/jul/01/eu-europe-news?fb=native

I think I know what the result will be already.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

except you're wrong. Chances are that the poll represents what would happen accross a wider sample of the UK population.

The UK population are notoriously fickle about EU membership.

In the last 6 months alone, yougov polls on the subject have fluctuated wildly from a 23-point margin of victory for those who want Britain to leave, to level-pegging.

More to the point, UK Voters have a track record of changing their minds and ending up voting for the status quo, when presented with a referendum, and all the campaigning that goes with it.

Here's what yougov have to say about the subject.

It's an interesting read.

The inconsistency of voters is something that concerns not just today’s views on Europe, but the prospects for a future referendum. To assess these, let’s start with a quick trip down memory lane.

There have been two UK-wide referendums: one in 1975 on whether to leave the Common Market (as the EU then was), the other last year on whether to change our system for electing MPs.

Nine months before both referendums, the public divided three-to-two in favour of change.

But in the referendum itself, we voted both times by two-to-one for the status quo: to remain in the Common Market and to stick with first-past-the-post.

Currently, we divide three-to-two in favour of leaving the EU. So, all else being equal, I would expect a real referendum to end up with a clear majority for remaining a member.

It’s not just a matter of crudely expecting history to repeat itself, but because I believe the main reason for the big swing towards the status quo in 1975 and last year would apply to an EU in-out contest.

What happened was that, as polling day approached, the mounting fear of change trumped its hypothetical benefits.

Thus, the pro-Common Market campaign warned of the costs of isolation, and the anti-AV campaign painted a lurid picture of the horrors of abandoning our traditional methods of electing MPs.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2012/05/21/will-britain-vote-leave-eu/

Fella

StevieJ wrote: »

So you think that sampling a forum entitled 'moneysavingexpert' more specifically one covering 'houses and the economy' and dominated by 'right wing' posters is an unbiased sample, fair enough

The fact you think everyone who disagrees with you is right-wing is one of your more laughable errors.

You should consider the fact that most people disagree with you because you talk utter garbage most of the time.

GeorgeHowell

Margaret Thatcher was against German reunification because she could see this coming. There seems to be a domination preocuppation in the German state psyche (though not necessarily in that of many ordinary Germans). Since reunification the pace of activity towards federalism has gathered fast, starting with the Euro. It is difficult to what is happening other than Germany attempting to do by economic and financial means what it has failed to do more than once by other means. Those countries that did not put up too much resistance last time (although many of their individual citizens certainly did) :- Italy, Austria, Belgium, Holland, France appear to be among the forefront in supporting this vision. The UK, not surprisingly is at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I do worry about the implications of losing access to the single market, though I think that's avoidable. But I'd take that risk rather than get sucked in any further. Necessity is the mother of invention and there's a whole world out there waiting to be traded and cooperated with. With much of this we do have a special relationship and some shared language, cultural and political links, notable the Commonwealth and the USA -- we even share a head of state with some of it. I think much of the Commonwealth would welcome us back with open arms. It could be making of the UK in the 21st century to escape from the financially, politically, and morally bankrupt stranglehold of this dinosaur called the EU, and make its own decisions and way in the world properly and independently

A._Badger

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Here's what yougov have to say about the subject.

That's desperate even by your standards! YouGov is run by a Labour-supporting extremist Europhile, whose ghastly wife is "Baroness" Kathy Ashton - a Gordon Brown appointed peer who was made the "High Representative" of the EU without once ever needing to trouble a single voter. Indeed, a perfect example of why we need to get out of this farce.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

A._Badger wrote: »

That's desperate even by your standards! YouGov is run by a Labour-supporting extremist Europhile, whose ghastly wife is "Baroness" Kathy Ashton - a Gordon Brown appointed peer who was made the "High Representative" of the EU without once ever needing to trouble a single voter. Indeed, a perfect example of why we need to get out of this farce.

You really should be careful with the tin foil hat conspiracies.

It's making you look a bit daft.;)

pqrdef

But if the UK leaves the EU, German domination of Europe becomes inevitable. Frankfurt becomes the financial capital. German rather than English becomes the second language of choice across Europe, and then the lingua franca. And so on.

The English language is actually the best thing we've got, and we need to fight for its predominance everywhere.

A._Badger

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You really should be careful with the tin foil hat conspiracies.

It's making you look a bit daft.;)

So which bit of what I wrote isn't true, Hamish? I challenge you to refute it.

I repeat - that was desperate: even for you.