Would you like the UK out of the European Union?

Fella

Well would ya?

Sampong

Without a shadow of a doubt yes.

pqrdef

Oh why don't we just tow the UK out to the middle of the Atlantic. And then sink it.

Clearly most people don't care about anything except money - and yet strangely, those same people are quite happy to commit financial suicide.

RenovationMan

We might not be a UK for much longer if the Scots do us proud and decide on independance. NI will probably go the same way (hurrah) and so it'll be England and Wales with a subsequently smaller payment to make for EU membership and with more to gain from it. We may even get more out than we put in, especially if the EU chips in for the costs of UK devolution or indeed just takes on the financial burden of NI.

chucknorris

pqrdef wrote: »

Oh why don't we just tow the UK out to the middle of the Atlantic. And then sink it.

Can't we tow it out and park it somewhere near Madeira (which has an excellent all year climate)

Rinoa

Our current relationship with the EU bears no resemblance to what we voted for in 1975.

There should at least be another referendum. Sooner rather than later.

Wookster

I think on balance, and in the current form, the UK is better out then in but the idea of a common market with a free trade area in Europe is broadly good.

CLAPTON

pqrdef wrote: »

Oh why don't we just tow the UK out to the middle of the Atlantic. And then sink it.

Clearly most people don't care about anything except money - and yet strangely, those same people are quite happy to commit financial suicide.

that's a strange thing to say

are you really saying there is no future for states with populations of 60million?
that the future is the USSR (resurrected), Greater China, Expanded USA a new Byzantine empire etc?


and of course many people have doubts about the Eu not simply because of money but lack of democratic accountablity, massive corruption, european arrest warrrants, shocking disregard for environmental issues etc etc.

oldvicar

With the bulk of the EU (the current Eurozone area) clearly dependent on just one nation (you know which I mean) for the foreseeable future, I would rather we remain a voting and vetoing member.

The EU may have economic consequences, but from the start it was not about coal, steel, or other trade. Its about freedoms, and ensuring that any wars we fight are outside rather than inside Europe.

A._Badger

oldvicar wrote: »

With the bulk of the EU (the current Eurozone area) clearly dependent on just one nation (you know which I mean) for the foreseeable future, I would rather we remain a voting and vetoing member.

The EU may have economic consequences, but from the start it was not about coal, steel, or other trade. Its about freedoms, and ensuring that any wars we fight are outside rather than inside Europe.

It was always about forging a single nation out of disparate components. That was Monnet's goal from the start. The question we need to address is whether that is A/ possible and B/ desirable.

I would suggest that even if B were the case (I vehemently believe it is not - we need smaller units, not larger ones) A is clearly impossible, as the current crisis has proved. A Greek will never be a Dane - and why should he be forced to try?.

pqrdef

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you really saying there is no future for states with populations of 60million?

Yes. This country punches way above its weight. But many people have no idea how or why that is. They seem to think it's just our natural superiority, and so it will continue whatever we do. It won't.