People who feel the need to work

williamcornwall

Axled wrote: »

There are jobs to make money and there are jobs to consider as a career. Where making cheese in a factory fits will largely depend on the availability for jobs, your qualifications, your reason for doing the job and also your personal circumstances. I have always found in these types of jobs that if you work hard for the first week or two then you gain trust from the managers and they don't watch you at all times. Saying that though, I have never worked in a cheese factory. By the way, are you allowed any samples in these places?

I have no idea I've never worked in one.

I guess I want people to just be treat like human beings and not robots whose purpose is to make money for others so they can buy their third home and send their no doubt thick kids to public school. And I'd like others to see when they are being used and treat little better than cattle.

alyth

williamcornwall wrote: »

But that's one of the points I'm making. I recognise people work for reasons besides money. I am then going on to say is it not rather sad and depressing that so many people feel lost and without direction because they don't have a 9-5 routine to go to? There is so much to do, backpack around the world, read, write, paint, learn a language or three and yet there are people who even if they could afford not to work are still doing it and for what? So they can meet next months target and get on a pat on the back from some boss?

Fear stops a lot of people from doing the things you mention - that and family commitments and bills. I am one of those people you mention - I don't have to work but I do - I love my job, I work on a checkout and I have met so many interesting and fantastic people that inspire me. I also hope I give some pleasure and comfort to what can be a horrible experience, trudging round a supermarket doing the weekly/monthly shop. Remember for many people, a trip to the supermarket and speaking to the "checkout chick" can be the only contact that someone may have with a human being for days or weeks on end - trust me I know that!

I'm lucky in that I am able to do what I want - travel/write/study, but there is a sense of personal achievement in doing a job, whether it's mundane or otherwise. There's also the social aspect to working - for sure we joke work would be wonderful without customers, I have fantastic people that I work alongside, but also a sense of achievement, whether it's seeing something roll off a factory production line, finishing a mamoth typing assignment, seeing off a happy customer that you have helped buy the right product.

Don't mock those that work - 99% of people have to work, they have no choice nor decision making in what they do, I hope you are happy when you give up work, but I think you will find having a PC as your only companion is extremely lonely.

RexBanner

Axled wrote: »

I'd love to make cheese, if only I wasn't so busy wasting my time working

I enjoy my job almost to the extent that I'm institutionalised into not looking around for otehr opportunities. It's enjoyable, socially usefully, fulfilling and reasonably well paid. But I'd pack it in in a heartbeat if I had the means.

Itismehonest

williamcornwall wrote: »

I think thats where you are wrong. Read up on anarcho communism. There is an alternative.

Then I wish you luck but what I said still applies. The next time you purchase anything thank your lucky stars that someone was prepared to produce it.

williamcornwall

alyth wrote: »

Fear stops a lot of people from doing the things you mention - that and family commitments and bills. I am one of those people you mention - I don't have to work but I do - I love my job, I work on a checkout and I have met so many interesting and fantastic people that inspire me. I also hope I give some pleasure and comfort to what can be a horrible experience, trudging round a supermarket doing the weekly/monthly shop. Remember for many people, a trip to the supermarket and speaking to the "checkout chick" can be the only contact that someone may have with a human being for days or weeks on end - trust me I know that!

I'm lucky in that I am able to do what I want - travel/write/study, but there is a sense of personal achievement in doing a job, whether it's mundane or otherwise. There's also the social aspect to working - for sure we joke work would be wonderful without customers, I have fantastic people that I work alongside, but also a sense of achievement, whether it's seeing something roll off a factory production line, finishing a mamoth typing assignment, seeing off a happy customer that you have helped buy the right product.

Don't mock those that work - 99% of people have to work, they have no choice nor decision making in what they do, I hope you are happy when you give up work, but I think you will find having a PC as your only companion is extremely lonely.

I have never mocked them. I just think there is something sad that someones companions are all at the same meeting place not because they say share the same passion or hobby or religion or politics but because they HAVE to be there for the most part. Its sort of live having companions sure but also knowing that these companions would most likely never see you again if they could afford to quit their jobs.

And you are right about the fear point. I don't mock people who do what are often thought of as mundane jobs I have sympathy for them, especially those who think thats thier lot in life when they could often do so much more. But capitalism has crushed them. Its a human tragedy on an epic scale. But most people don't care - they are too busy trying to pay off mortgages and watching tv soaps before getting up for the daily grind.

williamcornwall

Itismehonest wrote: »

Then I wish you luck but what I said still applies. The next time you purchase anything thank your lucky stars that someone was prepared to produce it.

I think far too much is produced so I won't be thanking a system that wants us all to be mindless docile consumers of rubbish. We now see ourselves in the latest tv or chair. It is possible to live in a society where things of value are created and not have to put up with the type of dog eat dog target made society you seem to love so much.

williamcornwall

RexBanner wrote: »

I enjoy my job almost to the extent that I'm institutionalised into not looking around for otehr opportunities. It's enjoyable, socially usefully, fulfilling and reasonably well paid. But I'd pack it in in a heartbeat if I had the means.

Intereating that you say institutionalised. Guess thats just one of the tricks the system uses to ensure it has workers. The other of couse is much more straightforward i.e. work or lose your home and starve.

Axled

I know what you mean and completely agree, but this is an entirely different topic to your original post. In the end, we have to work to live and get the things we would like. There is always going to be an unfair dispersion wealth so if you would like that wealth then I would suggest starting up a company (which will take some start up wealth). Other than that, be happy in the job you have as a long stretch of unemployment soon leads to a downward spiral of depression when the parents aren't able to put a roof over your head. Spend some time in the in this situation, or around people who are truly disadvantaged and suddenly the analogy of being treated like cattle won't cross your mind.

Itismehonest

williamcornwall wrote: »

I think far too much is produced so I won't be thanking a system that wants us all to be mindless docile consumers of rubbish. We now see ourselves in the latest tv or chair. It is possible to live in a society where things of value are created and not have to put up with the type of dog eat dog target made society you seem to love so much.

The irony being that you would find yourself spending all your time making the things you would need to live & with very little time to do any of the things you say you want to do.

williamcornwall

Axled wrote: »

I know what you mean and completely agree, but this is an entirely different topic to your original post. In the end, we have to work to live and get the things we would like. There is always going to be an unfair dispersion wealth so if you would like that wealth then I would suggest starting up a company (which will take some start up wealth). Other than that, be happy in the job you have as a long stretch of unemployment soon leads to a downward spiral of depression when the parents aren't able to put a roof over your head. Spend some time in the in this situation, or around people who are truly disadvantaged and suddenly the analogy of being treated like cattle won't cross your mind.

What if you don't want the wealth but rather you just want to live in a more equal society? Capitalism is essentially a system which says you must either exploit or be exploited. I'd prefer to do away with both. I am neither a sadist not a masochist.

Its possible to accept others are in a worse position and believe that wage slaves have it bad too. We should not see those who have it worse as 'the other'; British wage slaves have much more in common with them than some private equity vulture.