People who feel the need to work

ktothema

pink_princess wrote: »

Now that is a different point. The feeling of enjoying not working is different from your first post. Your first post suggested that working was just to stay active.

EDIT- Sorry mixed you up with the OP

:rotfl:
I was wondering what I'd posted first lol

Itismehonest

williamcornwall wrote: »

But that's one of the points I'm making. I recognise people work for reasons besides money. I am then going on to say is it not rather sad and depressing that so many people feel lost and without direction because they don't have a 9-5 routine to go to? There is so much to do, backpack around the world, read, write, paint, learn a language or three and yet there are people who even if they could afford not to work are still doing it and for what? So they can meet next months target and get on a pat on the back from some boss?

All the things you list to some degree or other require funds to do.
What happens when you are no longer able to pay or when, because of health or old age, you are more limited in your choices?

Believe it or not there can be satisfaction in a job well done & often it's not a point of getting a pat on the back from an employer.
The self-employed often work much harder than those in employment.

williamcornwall

Itismehonest wrote: »

All the things you list to some degree or other require funds to do.
What happens when you are no longer able to pay or when, because of health or old age, you are more limited in your choices?

Believe it or not there can be satisfaction in a job well done & often it's not a point of getting a pat on the back from an employer.
The self-employed often work much harder than those in employment.

I don't dispute that such things cost. My issue is with people who think sitting in an office making profits for others and focusing on targets is more worthwhile than the above activities. Or rather I just think their lives must be very boring and empty. It suggests they live in a rather small world.

Whats the point of doing a job well if the job itself is ultimately pointless (not in the sense of it paying but rather its just pointless i.e. people who make cheese in factories or work as recruitment consultants - totally pointless way to live life). I'm not attacking those who have no option but to do this, in fact I think its a tragedy that the system demands people do such things or starve effectively.

I'm not sure what relevance your last sentence has. Its not about working hard but doing what is worthwhile.

Axled

I'd love to make cheese, if only I wasn't so busy wasting my time working

williamcornwall

Axled wrote: »

I'd love to make cheese, if only I wasn't so busy wasting my time working

What about in a factory 37 hours a week for min wage with people watching you all the time ?

Itismehonest

williamcornwall wrote: »

I don't dispute that such things cost. My issue is with people who think sitting in an office making profits for others and focusing on targets is more worthwhile than the above activities. Or rather I just think their lives must be very boring and empty. It suggests they live in a rather small world.

Whats the point of doing a job well if the job itself is ultimately pointless (not in the sense of it paying but rather its just pointless i.e. people who make cheese in factories or work as recruitment consultants - totally pointless way to live life).

I'm not sure what relevance your last sentence has. Its not about working hard but doing what is worthwhile.

The last sentence referred to the fact that working for yourself is an alternative which you seemed to miss.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that, if nobody did the jobs that you seem to think pointless (food production, for example) you would probably be unable to live your life of leisure, or any life, for long.

starrystarry

williamcornwall wrote: »

And what's that very broad and general assertion based on? Evidence or just your gut feeling?

My gut feeling about you. You hate your job, but instead of doing something to improve the situation you'll waste your valuable time on here endlessly moaning about it and putting other people down if they're not as miserable in their job as you.

williamcornwall

starrystarry wrote: »

My gut feeling about you. You hate your job, but instead of doing something to improve the situation you'll waste your valuable time on here endlessly moaning about it and putting other people down if they're not as miserable in their job as you.

I have other plans in fact I've already made enough money to stop working and just wait until October before I start doing something which is worthwhile. Having views based on gut feelings isn't really good enough. Its the kind of thing Daily Mail readers do.

Axled

There are jobs to make money and there are jobs to consider as a career. Where making cheese in a factory fits will largely depend on the availability for jobs, your qualifications, your reason for doing the job and also your personal circumstances. I have always found in these types of jobs that if you work hard for the first week or two then you gain trust from the managers and they don't watch you at all times. Saying that though, I have never worked in a cheese factory. By the way, are you allowed any samples in these places?

williamcornwall

Itismehonest wrote: »

The last sentence referred to the fact that working for yourself is an alternative which you seemed to miss.

I'm sorry to have to tell you that, if nobody did the jobs that you seem to think pointless (food production, for example) you would probably be unable to live your life of leisure, or any life, for long.

I think thats where you are wrong. Read up on anarcho communism. There is an alternative.