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Azari

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

That's not quite what they are saying. I think they are saying

Scenario 1, standard kettle:
"Ohh, haven't I done well climbing up here today. Oh look, there's that thing that Mummy uses to make a drink. Let me have a look. Ouch! It's hot. I won't do that again."

Scenario 2, cool-touch kettle:
"Ohh, haven't I done well climbing up here today. Oh look, there's that thing that Mummy uses to make a drink. Let me have a look. Feels alright. Now, what is it that Mummy does with it? Something like this? AHHHH!"

In scenario 1 they get hurt a little and learn from it. In scenario 2 they don't learn anything until they are hurt a lot.

I'm not saying that this means scenario 1 is right, but I wouldn't call it intellectually bankrupt - I think it is valid reasoning.

The only time that would be valid reasoning is where you could absolutely guarantee that the safety precaution you were omitting would never cause more than an absolutely trivial amount of pain, fear, or discomfort.

That is certainly not the case here because:

1) A child might fall against a kettle and suffer a severe burn before it could remove itself.

2) A child that burned itself could panic and pull the kettle of boiling water on top of itself in it's rush to get away.

mynameistallulah

Not sure why people still read Azari's posts, let alone respond to them. Everytime I see his name I know it will be the same old tripe he always posts - personal responsibility is an alien concept and it is always someone elses fault. Blah, blah ...

System

mynameistallulah wrote: »

Not sure why people still read Azari's posts, let alone respond to them. Everytime I see his name I know it will be the same old tripe he always posts - personal responsibility is an alien concept and it is always someone elses fault. Blah, blah ...

He's not that bad. He can be good craic on occasion. There are alot worse posters on here

mynameistallulah

goater78 wrote: »

He's not that bad. He can be good craic on occasion. There are alot worse posters on here

You're right, I just have a very short attention span when someone is so predictable!

System

mynameistallulah wrote: »

You're right, I just have a very short attention span when someone is so predictable!

My favourite posters are the ones that get really angry and start posting in capital letters things like "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT ME!!!" or "I DEMAND YOU APOLOGISE"

marleyboy

Lip_Stick wrote: »

Well only an idiot would allow a child to play in the kitchen on their own.

There's going to be one time when he's thinking he's all grown up and can get some sweets from the cupboard, or something along those lines.

That is only ever likely to occur, if he thinks he is allowed to play in the kitchen unattended. So its NOT likely to happen under my watch as he would not get as far as the Kitchen door.

He already thinks he is grown up enough to climb up his drawers and create makeshifts steps to get him onto his bedroom windowsill which is bad enough, but he knows NOT to bother when it comes to trying it in the Kitchen.

Nothing short of bubble wrapping him up is going to stop him from being 100% accident free. But I would think it going a little over the top to do this, even as an extra available safety precaution.

bazster

Lip_Stick wrote: »

Children do climb. My son uses the drawer handles as a pair of step ladders.

And you let him do this? Apparently it's not your son who is the problem.

bazster

goater78 wrote: »

I've never seen a kettle that's low down enough for a child to get at. Frankly as a kettle tends to be filled with boiling water I would have thought whether it's hot on the outside is irrelevant. It should be kept out of a child's reach anyway

Exactly. In fact, you could argue that a kettle that doesn't get hot on the outside is a very dangerous thing in it's own right. A painful minor burn from touching the outside of a kettle is vastly preferable (and a lesson not to do it again) than an upturned kettleful of boiling water.

Frankly any parent who allows a child near a hot/boiling kettle is at fault, not the kettle.

marleyboy

bazster wrote: »

And you let him do this? Apparently it's not your son who is the problem.

To be fair, My Son does this regularly during bedtime in his bedroom. When he doesn't get caught and told off for it, he falls and cracks his head, losing any sympathy as a result. He does seem to have given up on the idea of climbing it, but I suspect because he has learned that falling off DOES hurt.

bazster

Lip_Stick wrote: »

Of course, parents should take precautions and make an environment as safe as possible, but I'd argue that a child could brush against a hot kettle and the shock of it make them suddenly jerk. They could knock the kettle over with a leg as they tried to move away. Anyway, an empty kettle could still remain hot on the outside for a while.

How could a child brush against a hot kettle, unless you put it on the damned floor?

Honestly, any parent whose child is allowed to get onto a kitchen worktop should be in court for neglect, it's ludicrous. Whatever next? Let them go into the garden shed and play with the Paraquat?