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Azari

goater78 wrote: »

I've never seen a kettle that's low down enough for a child to get at. Frankly as a kettle tends to be filled with boiling water I would have thought whether it's hot on the outside is irrelevant. It should be kept out of a child's reach anyway

The child should be told not to go near it.

The child should be able do as it's told.

The parent should be watching the child in any potentially dangerous environment.

Anything dangerous should be well out of a child's reach.

All these things should be.

But it's not a perfect world so buying a stable (wide based, bottom heavy), cool touch, kettle is a sensible precaution that any intelligent, responsible, parent may well decide to take.

They certainly do not deserve to be ridiculed over that decision.

System

Azari wrote: »

The child should be told not to go near it.

The child should be able do as it's told.

The parent should be watching the child in any potentially dangerous environment.

Anything dangerous should be well out of a child's reach.

All these things should be.

But it's not a perfect world so buying a stable (wide based, bottom heavy), cool touch, kettle is a sensible precaution that any intelligent, responsible, parent may well decide to take.

They certainly do not deserve to be ridiculed over that decision.

Good use of font variation.

I don't believe I have ridiculed anyone.

Azari

goater78 wrote: »

Yes but if a kid can get to a kettle to touch it. They can also get to a kettle to tip boiling water over themselves. I would argue I would prefer a kid to touch a hot kettle and get burnt that way, than to grab a cold kettle and accidently pour hot water over themselves.

That is an intellectually bankrupt philosophy.

What you are saying is that because a more dangerous outcome is possible there is no point in taking all sensible precautions for any less dangerous outcomes.

Cold touch kettles are a relatively new invention and I don't think they should take the place of careful/sensible parenting. I don't think you should be leaving children in kitchens unsupervised at all.

At one point, seat belts were a 'relatively new invention'. And wearing them certainly does not take the place of careful, safe, driving. Nonetheless, most intelligent people consider them a valuable safety aid that should be employed.

If you let kids use chairs to climb up onto the units then they could easily turn on the gas hobs!

You've obviously never had children!

Any parent knows that a child is very likely, at some point, to surprise them by working out how to do something of which they had no idea it was capable.

Intelligent, responsible, parenting is a matter of taking all reasonable steps to ensure your children's safety and not being so smug and self satisfied as to believe you are capable of 100% surveillance that never, under any circumstance, falters or, indeed, that you have every other base covered.

Azari

goater78 wrote: »

Good use of font variation.

It's cute the way you feel you have to come up with some complete irrelevancy when you realise that you have failed to make an argument.

I don't believe I have ridiculed anyone.

Were you not so incredibly self centred and could rid yourself of the belief that everything revolves around yourself you might have realised that I never suggested you did. It was earlier in the thread that a poster ridiculed someone for wanting a cool touch kettle and it was that which prompted my entry to the thread.

So, relax, I wasn't getting at you.

Missli

I turn my cooker off at the wall, and put kettles, irons out of reach as best as possible, but still need eyes in the back of my head. I have banned my little son from my small kitchen when I'm not in there (as much as possible!), as too many hazards.

They also know to only use the cold tap. I have shown them hot things hurt when tiny, by putting their hand gently to a mug of tea, and telling them hot. They have heeded so far.

System

Ah right you're off on one again. Brilliant.

I believe a seatbelt is a legal requirement while a cold touch kettle isn't? Therefore not sure you can compare the use of them. I also think cold touch kettles have been developed to stop adults burning themselves as opposed to allowing them to be "child friendly".

On a side note I don't believe you have any children.

System

Missli wrote: »

I turn my cooker off at the wall, and put kettles, irons out of reach as best as possible, but still need eyes in the back of my head. I have banned my little son from my small kitchen when I'm not in there (as much as possible!), as too many hazards.

They also know to only use the cold tap. I have shown them hot things hurt when tiny, by putting their hand gently to a mug of tea, and telling them hot. They have heeded so far.

If you havn't bought a cold touch kettle you are a terrible parent

marleyboy

My child will climb all over the show. Thankfully the Kitchen isn't one of them. Other than (even at 3) he knows that the Kitchen is out of bounds when it comes to play, there is ME to stop him from doing so. So far he has not touched the kettle, a hot pan, the stove, sharp knives, bleach or other cleaning products.

I am not the type of person who would take the back off his bedroom television, plug it in, switch it on and hope that saying "Dont Touch...BURNY!!" would render it safe enough.

I would not think it ok for him to climb the kitchen units ONLY when the kettle isn't switched on. Who would I blame for it if he did it whilst the kettle was boiling and scalded himself? Particularly if there is no chance he would find himself wandering around the Kitchen without my knowledge.

Lip_Stick

goater78 wrote: »

Yes but if a kid can get to a kettle to touch it. They can also get to a kettle to tip boiling water over themselves. I would argue I would prefer a kid to touch a hot kettle and get burnt that way, than to grab a cold kettle and accidently pour hot water over themselves.

Cold touch kettles are a relatively new invention and I don't think they should take the place of careful/sensible parenting. I don't think you should be leaving children in kitchens unsupervised at all.

If you let kids use chairs to climb up onto the units then they could easily turn on the gas hobs!

Of course, parents should take precautions and make an environment as safe as possible, but I'd argue that a child could brush against a hot kettle and the shock of it make them suddenly jerk. They could knock the kettle over with a leg as they tried to move away. Anyway, an empty kettle could still remain hot on the outside for a while.

mattyprice4004

No idea what the OP said, but if it was anything along the lines of 'the engineer set the water to the recommended temperature, but I wanted it colder... but didn't tell him' then I honestly don't want to live on this planet anymore.