Fined £275 for watching YOUTUBE

Hermione_Granger

halibut2209 wrote: »

So how are they supposed to know that there is no TV?

The same way that the DVLA know that I don't own a motorbike and the police know that I don't own a shotgun.
They assume that the majority of the public are honest and law abiding (which they generally are)

If I buy a motorbike or wanted a shotgun then I would tell the relevant official bodies, and if I buy a TV and I didn't have a licence then I would apply for one.

What would be the public reaction if the police started turning up on doorsteps without a warrant, demanding to be let in to check that people didn't own an unlicenced gun when they had zero evidence to prove otherwise?

If the police wanted to enter your home, to stop you committing a crime, would you give them the same attitude?

The police can legally enter your home only if they have a warrant to do so or if they have evidence to believe that a crime is actually taking place.
They can't just turn up and demand to be let in just in case you are possibly doing something wrong.

WelshBluebird

Flyboy152 wrote: »

How so? If they believe that a crime is being committed, why shouldn't they have the power to stop it?

Because they are not the police.
And even then the police need sufficient evidence to convince a judge to give them a warrant.

The_Safordian

bod1467 wrote: »

If you hang around here long enough you'll soon come to realise that Flyboy's arguments will change when (s)he realises they are being lost.

And very rarely backs them up with documented evidence - but complains when others do the same. (Flyboy's opinions are fact, whereas other's opinions are just that - opinions).

That's because he has an agenda to get negative topics about the BBC locked. Its also the reason why most of his posts are off-topic attacks on people

BargainGalore

This thread wants closing it was a pile of clap trap to start off with. It seems a few others come on here to fill there own agenda

The_Safordian

BargainGalore wrote: »

This thread wants closing it was a pile of clap trap to start off with. It seems a few others come on here to fill there own agenda

Wonder why so many trolls click TV Licence threads demanding for them to be locked or closed. Anything negative about the BBC gets the same treatment and yet they moan when I refer to the BBC as the SS.

How about you "people" read the rules

bod1467 wrote: »

I think the point being made (and indeed expressed in post #241) is that "TVL" do not have any rights under those Article 8 provisions.

And for full disclosure - I DO have a TV license, and always have since I have owned my own property. (Previously I lived with my parents, whereby THEY had a TV license).

The BBC has put a private company in charge which has zero powers. They push what is a civil matter and the people who do get taken to court tend to be rather naive when it comes to the TV Licence. Many people think they have to speak to these salespeople employed by Capita but they don't

Hintza

neilmcl wrote: »

I can't believe there's 14 pages of this dross.

You need to adjust your settings I'm only up to 7 pages

pineapple

SEE wrote: »

When I got my letter yesterday I called them and the payment office said you definitely need a licence for watching DVDs

No you don't - and that's from their own site.

Flyboy152

Cornucopia wrote: »

You think I represent an organisation? Which one? And how can you possibly know after 10 uncontroversial posts?

I think you need review your understanding of the term.

The fact that you appear when a poster who is losing the battle on logic stops posting and a new one appears, you mean? Get an e-mail from a friend did we?

pineapple

Just to add a copied and pasted extract from the site
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/technology--devices-and-online-top8/

Technology - devices and online

With today’s technology, you can watch TV on more devices than ever, whenever it suits you best. This means a TV Licence doesn’t just cover you to watch TV at home on a TV set. You can also watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, through all of these devices:

• Computers, including laptops and tablets
• Mobile phones
• Games consoles
• Digital boxes, e.g. Freeview, Sky, Virgin, BT Vision
• DVD/VHS/Blu-ray recorders.

The key words being
You can also watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, through all of these devices:
But it's not the equipment that's the issue, it's whether you watch or record live TV through that equipment.

So either you are pulling our chain, OP, or you've been done over like a kipper. :eek:

The_Safordian

pineapple wrote: »

Just to add a copied and pasted extract from the site
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/topics/technology--devices-and-online-top8/

Technology - devices and online

With today’s technology, you can watch TV on more devices than ever, whenever it suits you best. This means a TV Licence doesn’t just cover you to watch TV at home on a TV set. You can also watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV, through all of these devices:

• Computers, including laptops and tablets
• Mobile phones
• Games consoles
• Digital boxes, e.g. Freeview, Sky, Virgin, BT Vision
• DVD/VHS/Blu-ray recorders.

It's not the equipment that's the issue, it's whether you watch or record live TV through that equipment.

You have to admit their getting rather desperate by bringing mobile phones and games consoles into it