Nice people thread part 6 - thrice by twice as nice :)

chewmylegoff

lostinrates wrote: »

Ph and chewy, my sister keeps fit, and had a terrible childhood accident that saw her in hospital regularly til she finished growing. Also was under care of medical teams for mental health issues and her pregnancies...through all of this they still missed a congenital defect in her heart, that she would have dismissed as a natural reaction to exercise etc in the way you have.

Please, please have someone check it out. Please?

if it was unexplained then i probably would, but given that i spent that evening and the next four exhibiting all the symptoms of a norovirus, and it is well known that noroviruses and exercise do not mix, there is a clear and obvious explanation for what happened to me so i don't think it's necessary to chase it up. there is also no history whatsoever of heart failure or disease in my family.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

i'm sure the NHS is the envy of many parts of the world where there is a poorer healthcare system, but it is also comprehensively not the envy of many other parts of the world where there is a demonstrably better healthcare system with better outcomes.

Put simply, if the NHS was the envy of the world then the countries that could afford an NHS (Australia, Canada, USA, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Benelux, most of the middle East, Sth Korea, Japan and so on) would have an NHS.

PasturesNew

I think there's room in the system to take a "Student Loans" approach to some treatments. The system's in place to deduct small amounts from pay etc, so it'd be easy to tack it onto the NHS.

So you'd pay for things that weren't important/life saving, but were choices .... once you were earning £X and at a small amount automatically deducted.

Treatments could be charged 'at cost', at a fair rate, so they're provided, but not at the expense of essential work like heart bypasses and hip replacements. e.g. having your ears/boobs made bigger/smaller .... or IVF .... or gender swaps. Stuff that makes you "quite a bit sad" rather than "will physically affect your ability to do every day things".

PasturesNew

Generali wrote: »

Put simply, if the NHS was the envy of the world then the countries that could afford an NHS (Australia, Canada, USA, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Benelux, most of the middle East, Sth Korea, Japan and so on) would have an NHS.

It's the envy of those individuals who don't have a free service. Those that can afford medical bills don't really give a monkey's chuff.

There are four groups of people:
1] Those that can afford it and naturally assume they always will.
2] Those that are about to be able to afford it/get a job that provides insurance.
3] Those that aspire to a job giving insurance and see no reason why they won't achieve that and haven't needed anything to date
4] Those that don't have insurance and can't see a way to get insurance or a job that provides insurance.

It'll be the [4] types that envy it. In those countries, many people slip into [4] through no fault of their own. If you're laid off from a job that had insurance, then maybe the next job won't have insurance and if you get struck down out of the blue it can cost fortunes. My old's final bill, for the short time it amounted to, would probably have been £50-100k in another country.

PasturesNew

Right, finally got my finger out, dug out the CV and now need to start this job hunting malarky ..... I shall probably prepare a short update/precis daily of:
Found jobs: XX
Applied for: XX
Heard from: XX
Interview arranged: XX
Got one: XX

Although this might be depressing over the months if I am continually turned down for even "part time bottom wipers wanted for 2 hours 3x a week 20 miles away at NMW".

I probably need to amend that template to make it more interesting ..... or not bother.

lostinrates

PasturesNew wrote: »

It's the envy of those individuals who don't have a free service. Those that can afford medical bills don't really give a monkey's chuff.

There are four groups of people:
1] Those that can afford it and naturally assume they always will.
2] Those that are about to be able to afford it/get a job that provides insurance.
3] Those that aspire to a job giving insurance and see no reason why they won't achieve that and haven't needed anything to date
4] Those that don't have insurance and can't see a way to get insurance or a job that provides insurance.

It'll be the [4] types that envy it. In those countries, many people slip into [4] through no fault of their own. If you're laid off from a job that had insurance, then maybe the next job won't have insurance and if you get struck down out of the blue it can cost fortunes. My old's final bill, for the short time it amounted to, would probably have been £50-100k in another country.

Some countries have a state supported system that is not always free at point of use, but is accessable.

E.g. In italy i had an amazing home visit (free) from an out of hours doctor, that would be the envy of out of hours service providers here.
The oogp had a driver so that he was not alone going into peoples homes but also because he was a doctor and the other guy was a driver. It was quick, free at point of use and safer for the staff.


Other places you might pay to see a specialist upfront but beable to offset this against tax paid. (agreed this is no help if your pockets are empty and you feel ill NOW.)

PasturesNew

Well, that was 30 minutes of mind-numbing stuff. Job ads don't tell you what the job is any more... they're full of mumbo/jumbo and aspirational/lifestyle b0ll0x. e.g. "... to join a vibrant team.... ensuring challenging targets are met..." ... yeah, so what's the !!!!!!!' job?

So, along the way I've found father christmas jobs, chocolate makers and a job organising shipping to avoid pirates.

No actual jobs that I could/want to do though. Most that had an interesting job title, that I could do, were 8-12 hours/week, variable days. So as much use as a chocolate fireguard. And even the one outrunning pirates wanted a degree.

PasturesNew

It seems that Doctors work Mon-Fri 9-5 .... and people fall suddenly ill evenings and weekends. You're then left, on the phone, trying to establish how 'urgent' your case is .... with no concept of urgency. I'd call 999 for an ambulance far too late (if at all possible) for fear of not being 'urgent enough'.... or you just soldier on.

My mother had surgery in the mid-60s, when she came round from her surgery her GP was there by her bedside; he said he'd sat there all night, waiting/checking she'd come round OK.... you wouldn't get that now.

lostinrates

PasturesNew wrote: »

It seems that Doctors work Mon-Fri 9-5 .... and people fall suddenly ill evenings and weekends. You're then left, on the phone, trying to establish how 'urgent' your case is .... with no concept of urgency. I'd call 999 for an ambulance far too late (if at all possible) for fear of not being 'urgent enough'.... or you just soldier on.

My mother had surgery in the mid-60s, when she came round from her surgery her GP was there by her bedside; he said he'd sat there all night, waiting/checking she'd come round OK.... you wouldn't get that now.

That knowing whether or not to call 999 is what annoyed me with the eye, the time they told me they were not taxis.

Oh well....i have got the ennui from talking about it....:o:D

PasturesNew

Finally found a job I could at least apply for. Salary's not too shabby, being what I earnt in 1998 and half what I was earning in 2001, for the same type of role.



Probably won't hear a thing now.

The trouble with jobs is, if you apply for "anything you can do" and you get it, it's another nail in the coffin when the next recruiter thinks "CVs all over the place....." So need to at least try to apply for jobs that are 'suitable' for now.... hence not going for the chocolate making (not that I'd have got it as I've never worked in food prep or similar before anyway).