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DLA indefinitely?

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  • shirlgirl2004
    shirlgirl2004 Posts: 2,983 Forumite
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    I was awarded DLA originally in 2009 and then earlier this year it was cut back but awarded indefinitely. From next year EVERYONE has to go for an assessment to continue receiving their benefit. Its not one you can really answer and the "how long is a piece of string" comes into play here I guess!
    Everyone does not have to "go for an assessment". Many will but not everyone. Everyone will be assessed but for some that will be a health professional looking at the information in the claim paperwork. I don't forsee my relative on HRC and HRM being invited for a face to face assessment.
  • kingfisherblue
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    sangio wrote: »

    f. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device.
    15 points

    Wheelchair needed.

    I assume that my son will continue to get the equivilent of HRM when his assessment time arrives. He has a learning disability and a whole host of medical problems. Whilst he can walk, he cannot walk 50 metres without substantial pain in his limbs and without his breathing being affected. To walk 50 metres, he would stop frequently and sit on the pavement.

    My son uses a wheelchair, but cannot self propel. To give him a motorised chair :eek: would be dangerous to him and to others on the pavement! The only way for him to get around is for me (or his brother or sister) to push his wheelchair.

    My son will be assessed for PIP for his 16th birthday in April 2014, so there is time for things to change again, but based on current information, I assume that he would get HRM under PIP. It is likely that he will deteriorate, not improve, as he gets older.
  • Anubis_2
    Anubis_2 Posts: 4,077 Forumite
    edited 29 May 2012 at 12:37AM
    SANGIO - Please stop this scaremongering. The mobility component of PIP is made up of more than just what you post. In addition, it has to be done Reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely.... Otherwise you will be considered NOT to be able to complete it. You won't necessarily need a wheelchair to be entitled to enhanced rate = HRM.... You don't even need a walking stick in some cases.

    For anyone wondering, here are the mobility descriptors - you need 12 points altogether from ANY of the tasks described:

    10. PLANNING AND FOLLOWING A JOURNEY

    a. Can plan and follow a journey unaided.! 0 points
    b. Needs prompting for all journeys to avoid overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 4 points
    c. Needs either –
    (i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to an unfamiliar destination; or
    (ii) a journey to an unfamiliar destination to have been entirely planned by another person. 8 points
    d. Cannot follow any journey because it would cause overwhelming psychological distress to the claimant. 10 points
    e. Needs either –
    (i) supervision, prompting or a support dog to follow a journey to a familiar destination; or
    (ii) a journey to a familiar destination to have been planned entirely by another person. 15 points

    11. Moving around.
    a. Can move at least 200 metres either –
    (i) unaided; or
    (ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device.! 0 points
    b. Can move at least 50 metres but not more than 200 metres either –
    (i) unaided; or
    (ii) using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. 4 points
    c. Can move up to 50 metres unaided but no further. 8 points
    d. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using an aid or appliance, other than a wheelchair or a motorised device. 10 points
    e. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by the claimant. 12 points
    f. Cannot move up to 50 metres without using a wheelchair propelled by another person or a motorised device. 15 points
    g. Cannot either –
    (i) move around at all; or
    (ii) transfer unaided from one seated position to another adjacent seated position.! 15 points

    So you DO NOT necessarily need a wheelchair.

    For example, if you cannot reliably and safely transfer from one seat to another you get 15 points = HRM

    Points from 10 AND 11 can be added together to get your 12 points. 12 points = HRM (or enhanced rate as it seems to be called.)

    Therfore you can score 4 points on section 10 and 8 on section 11 and you have HRM.

    So if you can move COMPLETELY UNAIDED 50 m but no further - unaided is without sticks, crutches, wheelchair etc, and you need prompting on journeys both added together equal the 12 points required and NONE of those activites involves even a walking stick, let alone a wheelchair.

    If anyone is worrying please try not to, as PIP hasn't been finalised yet, and as you can see the mobility factor is NOT all about wheelchairs!
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  • sunnyone
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    I assume that my son will continue to get the equivilent of HRM when his assessment time arrives. He has a learning disability and a whole host of medical problems. Whilst he can walk, he cannot walk 50 metres without substantial pain in his limbs and without his breathing being affected. To walk 50 metres, he would stop frequently and sit on the pavement.

    My son uses a wheelchair, but cannot self propel. To give him a motorised chair :eek: would be dangerous to him and to others on the pavement! The only way for him to get around is for me (or his brother or sister) to push his wheelchair.

    My son will be assessed for PIP for his 16th birthday in April 2014, so there is time for things to change again, but based on current information, I assume that he would get HRM under PIP. It is likely that he will deteriorate, not improve, as he gets older.

    He should be fine KFB, I think he will be fine to keep his HRC too looking at tht proposed legislation.

    Anubis I believe only the highest score counts just like ESA so you cant add the discriptors together to get the result you want.
  • GlasweJen
    GlasweJen Posts: 7,451 Forumite
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    I need supervised all the time so does that mean I'll go from low mobility to enhanced when the changes happen?
  • Oliver14
    Oliver14 Posts: 5,878 Forumite
    sangio wrote: »
    So it seems that I am going to be the only one that will lose the HRM as that is the only thing that causes me problems with getting about.
    You don't know this. You have not been assessed and the criteria has not been finalised :wall: Why do you have such problems understanding that basic concept. There is no way you can know until you actually get assessed
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  • Anubis_2
    Anubis_2 Posts: 4,077 Forumite
    edited 29 May 2012 at 1:23PM
    sunnyone wrote: »
    He should be fine KFB, I think he will be fine to keep his HRC too looking at tht proposed legislation.

    Anubis I believe only the highest score counts just like ESA so you cant add the discriptors together to get the result you want.

    They can be added together from each descriptor. Points from descriptor 10 can be added to 11, just as points from descriptor 1 can be added to 2. The highest points are taken from each activity within a descriptor.

    You may have points from 11 d and 11 e - in which case 11e will apply - these cannot be added as they are both activities under descriptor 11. An activity under 11 can be added to an activity under 10 though because they are two different descriptors.

    See here...http://www.personalindependencepayment.co.uk/mobility-descriptors/
    Your points from each descriptor will be added together and form part of the evidence a decision maker will use to make an award or not.



    And here http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system
    As with daily living above, you only score the highest points that apply to you from each activity, but you can add points from activities 10 and 11 together to reach your final total.
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  • Anubis_2
    Anubis_2 Posts: 4,077 Forumite
    sangio wrote: »
    It is if you only were awarded HRM for DLA on the basis that you were virtually unable to walk and had no mental issues.

    So it seems that I am going to be the only one that will lose the HRM as that is the only thing that causes me problems with getting about. I would qualify under 11 C - 8 points.

    And if you think that that is the case, good luck to you.

    By the way, section 10, as I have mentioned, is easilly solved by using a hand held sat nav system which comes under aids and adaptions. i would qualify under 10 A - 0 points.

    So a sat NAV is the answer for those who experience anxiety, distress, need a guide dog etc...? A sat NAV will not be the answer for everyone.

    You have determined you may not be entitled, but it doesn't mean other's aren't.
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  • Anubis_2
    Anubis_2 Posts: 4,077 Forumite
    GlasweJen wrote: »
    I need supervised all the time so does that mean I'll go from low mobility to enhanced when the changes happen?


    It's possible, as some will be better off under PIP. Once things have been finalised it will be a little easier to determine.
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  • kingfisherblue
    kingfisherblue Posts: 9,203 Forumite
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    My son would also qualify under 10e (i) and (ii), as he cannot go out unsupervised. He also cannot find his way to familiar places. He might recognise a couple of points on the way, but doesn't know how he reached there. For example, when I drive us to his grandparents, he points out where one of the girls on his school bus lives, but he couldn't find his way there, even though his bus goes every morning and every afternoon. He just recognises the street.

    Since there are so many scare stories about PIP, it's good to know tthat some will actually be better off under PIP (as far as the information given as yet).
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