The Great Global Warming Swindle?

daymo

No matter what the real cause is,our government and councils are going to hammer us with "green" taxes, 4 x 4 owners will still be persecuted for having "gas Guzzlers" by people who should really be doing something better with their time and the "green" industry that has sprung up will continue to make a fortune out of people who think they are doing the right thing.I recycle and own cars with great mpg rates and at the moment are looking into composting,my own belief is that the earth is going through a natural cycle,despite this we do have to keep our eye on the ball regarding our use of fossil fuels -that is one thing that will not last forever. Forcing people into a green ideology is not the way,unfortunately many "greens" and authorities do not see it that way and that causes suspicion and resentment.

Ken68

Any country with oil ought to be limiting the sale of it and the present day revenues should go into creating future energy systems, like nuclear or sunpower. Like Iran.

gromituk

daymo wrote: »

Forcing people into a green ideology is not the way.

What is the way, then, bearing in mind that your belief that this is a purely natural cycle is a minority one and shrinking, and by the time you accept that it is man-made it may be too late? Wouldn't you rather you were forced to be green and you were right in your beliefs than everyone carried on just as before and the climate reached a tipping point of no return?

Ken68

Looks like the scientists are spinning things out.
Good for business, keeps them in work. "Yes it is, No it isn't, we need more research".

Cardew

If you want to listen to a 'Grown Up' debate on this issue you can go to the BBC website and hear a repeat of 'The Moral Maze' programme broadcast on BBC Radio 4 this week.

This link might work http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/moralmaze.shtml

Or go to Radio 4 and search for 'The Moral Maze' and 'listen again'

It doesn't go into Global Warming from an 'Oh yes it is - Oh no it isn't' perspective.

Instead it talks about those people who are actively try to stop any reasoned debate on Global Warming - like the Lib Dem MP who tried to stop Channel 4 broadcasting the 'Swindle' programme without even watching it - because he didn't like the message.

This week's team:

Claire Fox
Clifford Longley
Melanie Phillips
Ian Hargreaves

The challenge of climate change is seldom out of the news. This week Gordon Brown and David Cameron are competing over which political party has the greenest credentials. Dissenting voices are few, and risk instant mockery - labelled delusional, wishful-thinking, and on a par with holocaust deniers. Climate change has become the New Orthodoxy, the New Religion, brooking - as religions often do - no stepping out of line.

Tonight's Maze examines the rise of this New Orthodoxy Which Cannot Be Questioned - what happens when it clashes with notions of tolerance and intellectual rigour, even commonsense? Truth versus propaganda - how do you tell the difference?

It suggests that anyone who voices doubts about the degree of GW, and its impact, is treated like an heretic.

On the other hand some contributers argue strongly that some scientists will produce evidence supporting the case of anyone who pays them enough - like the oil companies who want to play down GW.

One of BBC's better programmes - balanced and objective.

west_is_best

kitekat wrote: »

No i have not been brainwashed by the Doc,ive been brainwashed by people like you who criticise others for not being a slave to the enviroment and who costantly shove your opinions in everyone elses face and accuse others of being selfish if they dont conform to the green norm. If you want to save the planet do so but dont expect everyone to follow, and accept that each person is free to make their own decisions regarding the planet.Now im off to shrug of my sack cloth and stop being a martyr to others expectations.

As you can see from the quote at the bottom of each of my comment's, I have studied wind farm for the past 3 1/2 years, as developers want to put some 800 metres away. I was open minded about the development untill I started looking into it.

Wind Farms are only a money spin for the Government and huge developers. When developers say it will produce enough electricity for a certain amount of properies, when they state this propery, the amount of kw is only enough to boil a kettle for 6hrs solid...... this means, everytime you boil a kettle, there wont be enough electricity for your freezer, TV, Fridge, radio, dishwasher, washing machine etc etc etc etc.....

If people really looked into windfamr's, its an eye oppener, when theres over 30 loads of ready mix for each base (300m square), not counting the 60 tonnes of steel barsl...... each turbine requires at least 50 lorry delivery loads....... Imagine the CO2 produced by these huge, and I mean huge lorries!!!!!!!!!!

The biggest CO2 polutants are steel and cement!!!!!!!! Now tell me, does it make sense????

They are cutting tree's down and disturbing peat soils to put these turbines in certain locations.......... tree's absorb CO2 and disturbed peat dries and lets off more CO2 than that particular wind farm will ever save!!!!!!!!

The Natinaol Grib are bound to buy "Green energy" which costs them 45p per MW.......... plus developers get 100% susidy from the goverment, so they get 90p per MW (that comes from the tax payers, plus we pay for our increase in lecy bills). Where as (what these developers like to call) dirty energy is being bought in by the National Grid for 3p per MW...

THIS is why we have to pay so much for our electricity!!!!!!!!!!

As I said I could go on and on, theres just one more thing that I would like to say is............... We were in the Ice Age many years ago....... the climate got warmer (without CO2) I have asked many a developer for this answer, None have been able to give me a reliable answer... if theres anyone out there who can answer me, I would like to hear it...

It all boils down to Taxes and politics!!!!! this is all it is..... its snowing here in Wales now, golbal warming???
Weve had a wet winter, golbal warming? we had a dry winter last winter, global warming????

wake up..... look into the other side of this, because it doesnt add up...

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

eryn_kathleen

There is a big difference between weather and climate. The fact that it's snowing doesn't mean that global warming doesn't exists, just the same as last year's hot summer didn't prove that global warming does exist.

For example, the phrase "since records began" only refers to the last 125 years. That's nothing in terms of the time scales of climate. When records began, the northern hemisphere was still getting over the Little Ice Age, which had started in the 13th century.

west_is_best

no love, the point Im trying to say is........ wet winters, dry winters whatever the weather, global warming and climate change is always being blamed for everything.....

Ken68

Blimey, Lynwen, those figures are disturbing. 100% grant.
It explains why my small town is surrounded by big turbines.
How come the little guy has to pay thru the nose for a solar water panel.
Up nice they are quite graceful, the turbine not the roof panel.

west_is_best

Ken68 wrote: »

Blimey, Lynwen, those figures are disturbing. 100% grant.
It explains why my small town is surrounded by big turbines.
How come the little guy has to pay thru the nose for a solar water panel.
Up nice they are quite graceful, the turbine not the roof panel.

I know, as I say I have been studying windfarms for 3 1/2 years... it is very disturbing when you realise and think about what they are doing to the UK and the world. Windfarms will never ever in the whole wide world save ANY CO2, neither will they produce enough electricity to suppy the UK... so why give these developers huge subsidies when they could be investing money on tidal, hydro, solar........ wave is a very powerfull source which could supply energy 24/7..... solar is too a fantastic sourse.......

The biggest problem is, to produce CO2 free energy to meet their targets, the government will have to go for nuclear... they dont have a choice anymore. They have dragged their feet so long with subsidising wind energy that only cause problems in the national grid, as they only produce a trickle of energy, the government have dragged their feet for so many years with wind development, time is now running out....

The government are dragging their feet in giving people like you and I grants to put in solar.... why???? think about it!!!! if we suppy our own energy, they will loose out on taxes!!!!!!!!

It is all just a huge swindle....... look at both sides like Ive done. As I said, I was open minded when I heard of this development up the road, it took me a few months to make my mind up which way to turn..... :eek: :eek: :eek: