How much..outside tap?

keystone

mkaibear wrote: »

I still laugh at the accusation of "a false economy"...

Mock me if you like but thats twice now in very short order and its now becoming boring. Being repetitive also displays a distinct paucity of imagination. The kit is still pants in my opinion but I'm quite happy when people make a bog of these things as they frequently do and then its me that gets the call to go fix it for them.

Cheers

mkaibear

keystone wrote: »

Mock me if you like but thats twice now in very short order and its now becoming boring. Being repetitive also displays a distinct paucity of imagination. The kit is still pants in my opinion but I'm quite happy when people make a bog of these things as they frequently do and then its me that gets the call to go fix it for them.

Cheers

Ah, so you have a vested interest in people spending money with you. Let me break it down;

£11 < £80.

Over the 3 years I have had this house, working on the assumption that the previous owner installed it the day before he left, I have spent £1 fixing this tap in 3 years. That means that thus far I am £69 to the good. That means I have approximately 207 years before I hit the point where having the tap installed was a good idea. Not counting any interest on that money, obviously.

False economy? I don't think so.

Care to refute my argument rather than accuse me of mocking you?

keystone

Now you are just being silly and childish. The OPS question was how much to get a plumber to fit an outside tap. He's had that answer.

Whether you inherited a DIY job is beside the point and that fact that it ahsn't failed since you inherited it is probably a bonus. I'm pleased for you with your experience with your own installation but its really not the slightest bit relevant to the question asked by the OP and thus there is no argument to refute. And no I don't have a vested interest.

Yes you have mocked me twice in as many posts by laughing at what I said.

Good afternoon.

Ruski

For what it's worth (and I can't believe I'm actually standing shoulder to shoulder with Key for once!) in general the £10 solution isn't always upto the job - mine wasn't - when trying to run my Karcher on it failed miserably - just couldn't cope with the flow rate needed - replaced with a 'proper' 15mm solution and all's fine and dandy.

IMHO - you have been lucky - imagine if Key or I fitted one of these £10 kits for you and it DIDN'T cope with the pressure washer scenario? What would you think then??
In our professions it's not worth taking the risk - so it's a full on 15mm supply or nothing. That way there will never be any starvation issues.

And another problem I've come across in the past is that little 5mm piece of copper that's been cut out by the self-cutting tap ending up somewhere else further down the system - causing a cistern filler to fail.

Hope this clarifies what the benefit of our experience is offering you.

Russ

ListysDad

Mbear
Let's ask the question a different way round. How much damage could be done when/if the cheap installation fails? NO flexible hose made has the life of copper or indeed PEX etc so it is only a matter of when NOT if.

At my last calculation, in an 8 hr period (perhaps you have a job) you could have approx 5000 litres of water pour through your home. Whilst you may be insured, is your significant other going really to thank you for saving £60 or so as she/he watches your life float out teh front door. I think not but you may be different :cool:

ListysDad

Mkaibear

Let's ask the question a different way round. How much damage could be done when/if the cheap installation fails? NO flexible hose made has the life of copper or indeed PEX etc so it is only a matter of when NOT if.

At my last calculation, in an 8 hr period (perhaps you have a job) even at quite low pressure, you could have approx 5000 litres of water pour through your home. Whilst you may be insured, is your significant other going really to thank you for saving £60 or so as she/he watches your life float out the front door. I think not - but you may be different

mkaibear

keystone wrote: »

Now you are just being silly and childish. The OPS question was how much to get a plumber to fit an outside tap. He's had that answer.

Whether you inherited a DIY job is beside the point and that fact that it ahsn't failed since you inherited it is probably a bonus. I'm pleased for you with your experience with your own installation but its really not the slightest bit relevant to the question asked by the OP and thus there is no argument to refute. And no I don't have a vested interest.

Yes you have mocked me twice in as many posts by laughing at what I said.

Good afternoon.

So, ad hominem attacks now ok? You are upset that I "mocked your answer" but it's ok for you to tell me I am being silly and childish"?

Nice.

You appear to be uninterested in entering into any serious debate so I shall focus my replies on the people who do seem to be serious.

mkaibear

Ruski wrote: »

Hope this clarifies what the benefit of our experience is offering you.

Russ

Thank you, Russ, for a well reasoned comment.

My issues with it are;

1) Sometimes the £10 solution *is* up to the job, by definition (if it sometimes isn't then it must sometimes be!)

2) In your profession it probably isn't worth taking the risk. But as a DIY, money-saving solution, it saves a *lot* of money and no-one has quantised the risk so it's hard to make an educated decision. You of course would not fit one of these things as the risk/reward is much too high.

mkaibear

ListysDad wrote: »

Mkaibear

Let's ask the question a different way round. How much damage could be done when/if the cheap installation fails? NO flexible hose made has the life of copper or indeed PEX etc so it is only a matter of when NOT if.

But by your logic, any system can fail, so it's not worth having running water in the house at all. Surely the essential question is how you quantise the risk, not whether you should take any risk at all?

Canucklehead

Made me smile...the OP seems to have left the building (well, at least this subforum).;)

Canucklehead