Far right on rise in Greece: giving food parcels and clothing

chucky

pqrdef wrote: »

These things don't come from nowhere. How many Greek women get slapped round the head every Saturday night?

Why would Greek women more than any another women from another get assaulted in the first place?

You're implying that it's hard coded in Greek culture that men assault Greek women frequently. From which highly respected publication did you get this racial stereotype point from?

chewmylegoff

pqrdef wrote: »

These things don't come from nowhere. How many Greek women get slapped round the head every Saturday night?

Should we conclude the same about the British people on the basis that Gazza gave his mrs a black eye?

The_White_Horse

i think it was an entirely appropriate way to deal with a lefty ;-)

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

Thanks Zorz, just saw that on the news and it made me feel quite sick. Hopefully it will make people realise what thugs they are voting for though.

I was chatting to some Greek friends about this at work and there is a little more to the story that is worth understanding.

Firstly, Mr Kasidiaris was a member of the Greek special forces and so knows how to hit someone properly.

Also, he was locked in a room by TV company workers but he kicked the door in and escaped.

The general theory is that most Golden Dawn voters were mostly voting for 'none of the above' without really considering too hard what exactly they were voting for. It's a bit like the way the BNP will win a council seat but rarely hold it when people realise what a bunch of complete [insert rude word of choice] they are.

michaels

This could be very important thouhg as the Greek electroal system awards an extra 50 seats to the largest party (even if it is only by one vote) so if a few of th efar right end up voting for the mainstream right instead it boosts the chances of them finishing ahead of the anti-bailout socialists and thus greatly increases the odds of a pro-bailout coalition emerging - ie just what the doctor ordered for the Euro enthusiasts.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

This could be very important thouhg as the Greek electroal system awards an extra 50 seats to the largest party (even if it is only by one vote) so if a few of th efar right end up voting for the mainstream right instead it boosts the chances of them finishing ahead of the anti-bailout socialists and thus greatly increases the odds of a pro-bailout coalition emerging - ie just what the doctor ordered for the Euro enthusiasts.

SYRIZA (anti-bailout, pro-Euro, hard left/Communist/Green coalition*) seems to be gaining a solid lead in the polls. It's getting harder to see past them as the largest grouping and they could even end up being able to run the country without any other parties.




*Basically they comprise of a handful of Trotskyist parties, a Maoist grouping and then some 'Eurocommunists' (basically a 1980s Communist movement that didn't want to align with Moscow) of various flavours.

pqrdef

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Should we conclude the same about the British people on the basis that Gazza gave his mrs a black eye?

Yes. We could do without the culture that produced Gazza.

Wookster

Generali wrote: »

The general theory is that most Golden Dawn voters were mostly voting for 'none of the above' without really considering too hard what exactly they were voting for. It's a bit like the way the BNP will win a council seat but rarely hold it when people realise what a bunch of complete [insert rude word of choice] they are.

Unfortunately this seems to be the problem with Greece. I was listening to a Greek Professor talking about the election results and how the Greeks had voted for the most ill-equipped people.

Well, they do say you get the government you deserve...

michaels

The political/chattering classes everywhere are the same, if the voters don't chose the 'sensible' parties then it is the voters who are wrong ('and is democracy really the best system darling when we let such uneducated people have a say?')

This is a perfectly reasonable arguement that whilst the money needed to give the Greeks a better deal is neglidable the cost of not doing so might be immense in terms of contagion so why shouldn't the greeks use this bargaining position - it is only doing what the distressed bond buyer hold-outs try and do.

(I really enjoy hearing the squeals when the tube workers hold out for a nice Olympic bonus, they are often criticised by the very same city workers who would consider it a deriliction of their duty if they were in a situation where they had some pricing power and did not avail of it.)

Generali

michaels wrote: »

The political/chattering classes everywhere are the same, if the voters don't chose the 'sensible' parties then it is the voters who are wrong ('and is democracy really the best system darling when we let such uneducated people have a say?')

It is, of course, the big problem with freedom of speech: sometimes people will insist upon saying things that you don't like very much. Similarly, voters will vote for parties that want to do things that you would rather they wouldn't.

michaels wrote: »

This is a perfectly reasonable arguement that whilst the money needed to give the Greeks a better deal is neglidable the cost of not doing so might be immense in terms of contagion so why shouldn't the greeks use this bargaining position - it is only doing what the distressed bond buyer hold-outs try and do.

Rather like the argument that if you owe the bank a Grand, you are in trouble but if you owe the bank a million the bank's in trouble, the Bundesbank is owed about EUR1,000,000,000,000 by the other Central Banks within the Eurozone. If the Germans push things too far they might find that their debtors push back.

michaels wrote: »

(I really enjoy hearing the squeals when the tube workers hold out for a nice Olympic bonus, they are often criticised by the very same city workers who would consider it a deriliction of their duty if they were in a situation where they had some pricing power and did not avail of it.)

Slightly different: Tube drivers are paid using money extracted under threat of imprisonment. City workers (for the most part) aren't.