Parking in mother and child space

Riversong

If they were that severe they would have help or aids with them to assist. i mean come on you would have to walk round the shop for example how is that different to the car park?

bigbulldog

Riversong wrote: »

If they were that severe they would have help or aids with them to assist. i mean come on you would have to walk round the shop for example how is that different to the car park?

I'm aware they would have to walk around the store,but by doing the right thing would make it a little easier don't you agree rather than have an attitude like.....I have children,so I can and will park nearer to the entrance.

mildred1978

bigbulldog wrote: »

I'm aware they would have to walk around the store,but by doing the right thing would make it a little easier don't you agree rather than have an attitude like.....I have children,so I can and will park nearer to the entrance.

Again, I don't care where the P&C spaces are - back of beyond suits me fine - as long as there are enough of both P&C and disabled spaces for everyone to be accommodated!!

Riversong

Thats not my attitude. my arguement is.

The blue badge bays are for blue badge holders.

Child parking is for people with children.

If the child parking was blue badge overflow it would be stated on the signage, therefore you should respect the rules.

What right does a disabled person have over anyone else, with child or not, to break the rules?

If a disabled person can break the rules then why not anyone else?

My arguement is not meant to be personal or moral only based on the rules, illustrated and backed up by my experience.

If this thread was meant as a moan/attack thread against mums and parents then the title should be changed as not to attract debate.

mildred1978

Isn't the mantra on this site "it's about entitlement"?

Council house occupants are entitled to keep their low rent houses after a windfall of millions.

Millionaires are entitled to child benefit.

Idiots who fall over potholes in car parks feel entitled to compensation.

If it exists and you are entitled to it, it grates when you don't get it. P&C spaces exist because parents with children want safer spaces. It doesn't mean we wish disabled people stayed home, or that we want to be at the front of the store. Just that our needs were considered alongside. That's all.

Tina20

I do feel for you however what do you think we used to do when our children were babies ...take the pram out of the boot assemble in situ then get the things you need and the last thing you get is the baby out of the car and all this can be done safely without banging the baby's head.....simple.!

Ah, the good old "We managed back in yonder times perfectly well!"

So talk me through it. You park in a 'normal' space. You have cars either side. You take pram out of boot and set it up.
Where? there is no room either side of the car because of cars alongside, ditto with the front of the car.

Set it up behind the car? In the road? That is the only open space big enough, so lets do that.
Pram is now in the road. So you go to gets all your bits and pieces, changing bag etc. Where do I put changing bag? On handlebars of pram? The weight of bag would tip the pram backwards. Do I put my bag on the ground? Again, where? In the road alongside the pram? The shopping basket on the pram is not big enough for the bag, so on the ground it goes.
By now you have probably p'd off quite a few motorists by leaving your pram and bag in the road. (these motorist will probably now go on MSE for a rant )
You go to get baby, but the car beside your babies door means you cannot open your door wide enough.
So you open the door, whilst trying not to bang the other car door, unplug baby.
Lift baby out, UP out of the car seat (I have a daewoo matiz so it's not a big doorway)but the room between the car seat and the roof is quite small, so you have to move baby carefully to avoid banging their head on the roof of the car. All the while, making sure you don't open your door too wide and scratch the other car.
But wait! the person next to you is now trying to reverse out! What do you do now? Stay bent over in the car holding the baby and waiting for them to reverse? Put baby down, close car door and stand to the side?
They sucessfully reverse, and you remove baby. But then someone else wants into that space now, so you get out of the way of the moving car with your young baby (sincerely hoping you don't have a 3yr old running around)
And put her in the pram, which is in the middle of the road. But wait! You need to lock the car! But you can't move your pram and bag between your car and next doors car! So you leave your baby and bag in the road while you go and lock the car?


SO! It's all well and good saying "We managed just fine! Do XYZ!" when the bottom line is, its SAFER, and less hassle for EVERYONE if there are P&C spaces! No buggy in the road, no kids running around, no babies left unattended etc etc.

Some people make out it's such hard work rather than being a pleasure in taking a baby out of a car.

The only reason I'm showing you how difficult it is, is because you are claiming it's easy peasy to take a baby out anywhere. And yes, it's a pleasure having a baby and taking her out. Doesn't make it any easier though!

It's a wonder my children survived when they were babies as there were no parent and child car spaces when our children were babies...sorry,but you really are making a drama out of this.

Again, its all well and good talking about how easy it was in the good old days. Fact is, it's DANGEROUS to have kids running around the car park, or unloading kids with cars around.
Just because you managed just fine and your kids are ok, doesn't mean everyone else's kids will be fine too. Why take the risk??? Just give them a bloody parking space, who is losing out?

Disabled have their space, parents have theirs. Easy! Everyone is happy.

adouglasmhor

Lum wrote: »

Have a read of: http://www.butyoudontlooksick.com/articles/written-by-christine/the-spoon-theory-written-by-christine-miserandino/

In fact anyone who thinks that disability = wheelchair should read that article.

It's basically a metaphor used by people with conditions that leave them so lacking in energy to perform day to day functions that they need to budget their energy use the same way someone in poverty may have to budget their spending on essentials

For example someone in poverty may ask: do I feed myself or my child? Someone with a serious "spoons" condition may have to choose between changing their pyjamas today vs sticking a ready meal in the microwave.

I used to have to take my quilt with me to the bathroom as I would be so exhausted afterwards I would need to lie down on the floor for a rest before I made it back to bed or the living room. I din't look that ill though.

HB58

"what would you do if all disabled spaces and all P&C spaces were full, turn round and go home? So everytime you go out it is a gamble as to wether or not you can actually get out? "


I am afraid that this is exactly how it is for many disabled people.

adouglasmhor

mildred1978 wrote: »

I'd love to know how you think I should get my 2 year old out of a 4 inch gap in the door!

Learn to drive properly and pick a better space.

Riversong

Then why not ring ahead and ask for extra help to be put in place. i always ring ahead when i know where im going might not be baby friendly, i dont just show up and break the rules. and yes i did with asda once after having a c section, no i didnt feel bad about asking for the help, they were very helpful and sympathetic. That way when I showed up I was able to go about my business despite just having had major surgery.