JSA Sanctions - Beer Money for Claimant Advisers?

baza52

well to be pedantic even unemployed people pay tax so are they paying their own JSA?

MissMoneypenny

baza52 wrote: »

Exactly, People on jobseekers tend to be actually looking for work.
Single parents, the sick and pensioners just sit back and wait for the payment to clear.

Most of your tax goes to those that DONT sign on.

Including the wages of the often over staffed, walk out the office by 5.10pm, public sector.

MissMoneypenny

Vincent_Buenisedes wrote: »

Actually, it's the current crop of taxpayers that are paying for your pension and perks,

People often forget that state pensions are a welfare payment too; along with winter fuel allowance and bus/freedom passes.

In fact state pensions are the biggest cost to the welfare state; followed by housing payments and Tax Credits.

dseventy

McKneff wrote: »

er, as an OAP, youre not paying for me pet, 47 years of working and paying into the system is what is paying for my state pension, all 60 odd quid a week. Thank you very much

Your 47 years of paying taxes paid for 47 years of other people pulling it. It does not sit in an account with your name on it. As you pay tax, it goes to people at the time who need it.

You may think you deserve it after 47 years, and I won't argue with that, but to think all your tax money is there ready to pull it on retirement is madness and slightly stupid. (As the requirement to pay tax never really changes, but eligilibility for state payments usualyl change).

D70

Notmyrealname

baza52 wrote: »

well to be pedantic even unemployed people pay tax so are they paying their own JSA?

Being really pedantic, no they're not as the money they spend and the VAT etc on what they buy is paid for by money they've got from the govt.

Debt_Tired

PoorCharleyBear wrote: »

Imagine that you only had to go to work for 10 minutes a fortnight and you were late for that single point out of 75hours for which you are being paid.

Would you employer be harsh to not believe you are trying hard enough to turn up?

If anyone can search the newspapers and online, then visit the Job Centre looking, then applying, for numerous jobs - ALL within ten minutes I'd employ them. Being on JSA isn't about that 10 minutes you have to sign on (I've been told that you now get five minute), it's about what you do at home to get a job.

My concern is not the work shy or those who commit benefit fraud. They can hang. My concern is that you can be sanctioned for even the slightest error, even if it's not your fault. We all make mistakes, but should it cost you the small amount you are entitled to?

Debt_Tired

I'm sure we are all feeling money is becoming tight, but how much does it cost to smile? I've been in my local Job Centre four time in the last week to sort out my ESA, and not once have I seen an advisor or security guard smile.

Oh, my dream job would be stacking shelves in Home Bargains, but I'm a loony. I spend my time crying and thinking about ending it all. Perhaps I should get a job with Job Centre Plus?

wouldbeqaulitymoneysaver

The way Advisors relate to Claimants is a profoundly asymetrical and uneqaul relationship.
They would therefore have a professional incentive to sanction as detailed in their Circulars though I am to sure my description is anything but wholly inadequate).
I reckon it's a philosophical thing.
Maybe I should ask my Adviser when I meet him or her what Paper she reads and his or her political philosophy.
I reckon I would learn a lot.

seven-day-weekend

sofaman wrote: »

Erm, where did you get the 10-minutes of work from? Looking for work is a full-time endevour!

I assume the poster meant the ten minutes per fortnight actually spent at the Jobcentre.

I agree, you only have to be there for that time once a fortnight, it does seem that maybe the effort should be made to get there on time (take an earlier bus for example).

Even if the delay is due to circumstances beyond your control, you should phone and explain that you are on your way and what has occurred to make you late. (which you would do if you were employed). That is the professional way to behave.

If you just turn up late, without expalnation, then obviously it looks as though you can't be 4r$edd to bother to turn up on time for ten minutes a fortnight and then you are leaving yourself wide open for a sanction.

seven-day-weekend

Mara69 wrote: »

sofaman, look!! Quick, over there! It's the point. Ah, no. You missed it.

Better luck next time.

Have to say, there are a lot of hysterical drama queens on this thread. My son claims JSA. He gets on well with his advisor and is looking hard for a job. He meets all their criteria but has been late to sign on a couple of times....he apologised and wasn't sanctioned. He was put forward for a training course. When we received the details we realised it was not possible to get to it via public transport. He explained, they understood and he wasn't sanctioned.

Perhaps it is just his charm and winning smile that hid advisors like.

My son had no problems with his advisor either. He was always polite and respectful to her and she awarded him the same courtesy.