JSA Sanctions - Beer Money for Claimant Advisers?

Adereterial

baza52 wrote: »

You could argue that "clocking on" at work takes less than a minute.
If circumstances mean your delayed (with good reason) is it fair you should lose ALL your pay and be made to appeal to get it?

You don't lose it for being late for signing once, you lose it for being late for two CONSECUTIVE appointments. You get a warning for the first, it clearly explains the consequences if you're late the next time.

So yes, it's fair. If you get a warning you can and should make doubly sure you're on time the following fortnight.

Vincent_Buenisedes

Adereterial wrote: »

You don't lose it for being late for signing once, you lose it for being late for two CONSECUTIVE appointments. You get a warning for the first, it clearly explains the consequences if you're late the next time.

So yes, it's fair. If you get a warning you can and should make doubly sure you're on time the following fortnight.

Not in my Jobcentre. If you're more than five minutes late, you lose one weeks pay. Also they've changed signing appointments from a fixed time, to a "window" of 10 minutes. You still have to be there for a set time, but the time that they actually see you will "float" within that "window":cool:

fogartyblue.

baza52 wrote: »

Can you imagine getting to work 1 minute late because of a delayed train/bus accident and your employer stopped your whole weeks pay for it.

No but in times gone by they used to stop 15 mins pay for every minute late! How did they enforce it? They made everyone clock in. The clock in cards were then examined daily and deductions were made! I never understood why they got rid of that system?

It certainly made people get to work early! The advantage was that the employer always made a few mins extra work off everyone for no extra pay.

fogartyblue.

baza52 wrote: »

Imagine the employer assumed you were wrong and you had to appeal to get your wages back even tho it would take weeks.
Oh and then you have tell the bank you cant pay the mortgage etc etc.

Why are all unemployed people looked upon as being a scrounger?

Why don't you spend a day hanging round a JC and you will soon find the answer to your question!

baza52

fogartyblue. wrote: »

No but in times gone by they used to stop 15 mins pay for every minute late! How did they enforce it? They made everyone clock in. The clock in cards were then examined daily and deductions were made! I never understood why they got rid of that system?

It certainly made people get to work early! The advantage was that the employer always made a few mins extra work off everyone for no extra pay.

But, would have been happy to lose a weeks wage for being late twice?

baza52

fogartyblue. wrote: »

Why don't you spend a day hanging round a JC and you will soon find the answer to your question!

Id love to but im too busy working.
And paying for all the OAP's single mums etc. oh and the small minority of jobseekers.
Most of which i asume had paid enough NI like you and me.

Soapn

if they haven't got a job to get to, you'd think they'd have the time to get to the benefit office to sign on once a fortnight ON TIME wouldn't you? No wonder everyone wants to get onto a benefit that means they haven't got to keep signing on.

Elvisia

I was nearly sanctioned for being late for signing on, however I had got there ten minutes early (I was always early to allow for the bus being late) and had to sit and wait nearly an hour while the advisor signed everyone on very slowly. I said I had been sat opposite her for ages and she said she'd overlook it on this occasion. I asked another advisor about it who said he wasn't surprised as she had a reputation for working incredibly slowly. He also said that they didn't have a number of sanctions to hit.

I worked many years paying into the system so I didn't feel bad signing on, it helped me out when I needed it. But I am pleased to be self employed now!! The JC really is incredibly chaotic, I had a horrible time claiming JSA.

baza52

Soapn wrote: »

if they haven't got a job to get to, you'd think they'd have the time to get to the benefit office to sign on once a fortnight ON TIME wouldn't you? No wonder everyone wants to get onto a benefit that means they haven't got to keep signing on.

Exactly, People on jobseekers tend to be actually looking for work.
Single parents, the sick and pensioners just sit back and wait for the payment to clear.

Most of your tax goes to those that DONT sign on.

cit_k

fogartyblue. wrote: »

Why don't you spend a day hanging round a JC and you will soon find the answer to your question!

The lazy ones lounging around, chatting, gossipping etc tend to be the staff, not the claimaints.