Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

kippen_noedel wrote: »

I never brought up capitalism or socialism. In fact it was actually you who brought socialism into the thread, not me. Facts seem to be your weak point, sarcasm aside, you do however get full marks, on belief systems.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=22600469&postcount=3474

I apologise to you - it was not you that originally brought up politics. However you took up the baton after I disagreed with the original comment. However that is not important..

Do you have an answer to my questions. I'll repeat them here for you.

1. What is the purpose of business?

2. What is the main difference between the traditional business model and the network / referral marketing model?

keggs

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Oh, and I don't try to discredit networking as a tool to generate business, it's the most cost effective process available. Neither do I really decry UW. I only find distaste in the methods used by many of its sales agents to procure themselves an income by distorting facts.

UW isn't a true pyramid and nothing like a ponzi scheme but the methodology is very closely modeled on pyramid schemes.

You bandy words like pyramid and ponzi schemes. Describe please and tell us all what the differences are between them and network marketing..

"UW isn't a true pyramid"

Every structure in the world is a pyramid. UW is no exception. It's not the shape that matters it's the inference.

"but the methodology is very closely modeled on pyramid"

I think you will find it is the other way round. If you truly knew anything about network marketing you would realise how silly that statement is.

kippen_noedel

1, The purpose of business is to meet the objectives of the owners.

2. In the EU the legal definition of Network Marketing is MLM.

kippen_noedel

Actually why am I even bothering, its like trying to talk to a religious zealot.

keggs

kippen_noedel wrote: »

1, The purpose of business is to meet the objectives of the owners.

2. In the EU the legal definition of Network Marketing is MLM.

Incorrect. I'll give you answer to the first. The purpose of any business is to find solutions to people problems. If a business person has a potential solution then he has something he can sell. If he solves enough problems then he has a growing business.

2. MLM and network marketing are simply interchangeable phrases. MLM or muliti level marketing is an older term and began in the 1940s - not by Amway I believe but by another enterprising American. Amway developed out of this.

What point are you making with your response to question 2.

You ask yourself why you are bothering. That's for you to decide. I bother because I am passionate about both the Utility Warehouse and about referral / network marketing

(a) because I know it is the only thing that will help me achieve what I want
(b) because it allows me to help other people and solve their problems
(c) because it is theonly ethical way to do business
(d) because it allows me to apply my beliefs
(e) because it makes me happy to see so many people realise their dreams and ambitions without trying to compete with otehrs to get up the greasy pole of commerce
(f) because it is a very fair system - everyone has an equal chance to succeed.

There are many more but that's enough.

If I am a zealot - fine. Christ was a zealot but he built the biggest network known to man.

Quentin

kippen_noedel wrote: »

Actually why am I even bothering, its like trying to talk to a religious zealot.

Have you seen them at their rally?

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/rejection-free-presentation-big-al.html

SwanJon

keggs wrote: »

"I much prefer dealing with my accounts online, but I know full well that that doesn't suit everyone."

And who do you talk to when things go wron.

I have the choice - I can email them, enquire thorugh their website, write or phone. (This goes for pretty much everything - energy, various insurance, banking, I just prefer to do it online when it suits me. Having to call when it suits someone else isn't ideal.)

1carminestocky wrote: »

If they have the best service and prices, why would they need to do such a thing? And why do they supercede the online packages so often? And can you transfer to the new one penalty-free?

SwanJon wrote: »

I've mentioned plenty of times that i'm too lowly to be involved in those kind of descisions. The exit fee is to encourage people to stay - I'd've thought that was clear.

Regardless of actual levels of service and actual price, people's perception often differ (sometimes encouraged to differ by man on doorstep, or 'friend'). It's been oft reported than many people switched to more expensive tariffs than the ones they were on. Need I say more?
Oh, and there was something about cashback.... do you know anything about it?

1carminestocky wrote: »

UW are often (on here) said to be very expensive. So why don't they have exit fees to stop people leaving? These are all questions that need answers.

You're going to need to ask someone who works for UW that (but remember IDs don't work for UW....)

NigeWick

chrisclipson wrote: »

Yes, I dislike it when the basis of the rewards you get is money siphoned off from (often) vulnerable people including your friends and relatives, using dodgy sales techniques like pretending to do surveys/research.

I suppose that British Gas and the other utility providers scrutinise all their customers to see if they are vulnerable? The same goes for their sales people pretending to do surveys etc. I have never done such a thing and I therefore presume that no more than the same percentage of Utility Warehouse independent distributors use such methods than the "Big 6."

I am an Independent Distributor with Utility Warehouse and any opinions expressed here are my own and may not be shared by the company.

NigeWick

Gerrard_8_lfc wrote: »

Some people like BG and some dispise BG you simply cannot please everyone can you ?

Very true. But, Utility Warehouse can certainly please more than they do at present because there are millions of people who could use the pre payment card to pay less for their utilities than with any other company, without changing their current spending habits as far as grocery shopping goes. Also, there are many people who can save money by just taking all their utilities with Utility Warehouse.

As to despising British Gas. They tried ripping me off and I am now happy with what Utility Warehouse has to offer.

I am an Independent Distributor with Utility Warehouse and any opinions expressed here are my own and may not be shared by the company.

SwanJon

NigeWick wrote: »

I suppose that British Gas and the other utility providers scrutinise all their customers to see if they are vulnerable? .

British Gas agents will register a customer when they recognise that they are vulnerable or need extra support. Seeing as the most commonly recognised criteria used for vulnerability are government support the who DPA thing stops suppliers actively seeking out vulnerable customers.

NigeWick wrote: »

The same goes for their sales people pretending to do surveys etc. I have never done such a thing and I therefore presume that no more than the same percentage of Utility Warehouse independent distributors use such methods than the "Big 6."

I've never heard of a big 6 sales agent doing a survey (pretending to read a meter, asking to 'sign that I've been' yes, just not a survey).
Also, if it was a smilar percentage, then there is a greater number of UW IDs doing this than sales agents for the big 6 - based on 26k IDs. What steps are UW putting in place to prevent this kind of activity (which surely it frowns upon)?