What happens to CTC CB HB CTB when child turns 16?

FBaby

Youngers give up just way too quickly. If the likelihood of getting what they want is negative, they give up automatically (why bother...). The thing is, when things are tough, as in being young and trying to get that first foot in, you have to accept to provide 100% effort for a 1% chance of success....but one day, the effort does pay.

I applied for my first job after getting my 'a' levels. The chance of getting the job I wanted was next to none because it required a specific diploma which I didn't have, but I spent the time to get the address of the places I wanted to work, phoning to get a proper name to right to each time, and spent hours on my CV and motivation letter, got it check and rechecked. All in all, it took a lot of effort even though my chances of getting something out of it was so little....but it did. I sent about over 50 letters, got rejections after rejections...and then got one positive letter inviting me for an interview. They were the only one who were not bothered with the diploma, more interested in the personality of the candidate.

This attitude in young people is not surprising considering that so many have been brought up with so little expectations, parents keeping them at home when they have a cold, complaining to teachers because they have too much homework, no expectations of doing any housework, or doing it only if when paid for it.... They don't know what putting 100% means.

My partner who recruits young people regularly says he gets more and more disheartened with it. Candidates rarely have done any research about the company, and when ask if they have any questions, it is never about how the company operates but how many holidays they are entitled to, if they get sickness benefits etc... Some have even made comments on the interview about the salary (above NMW) not being high enough...no need to say they didn't get the job, but I'm sure they are the one going on how nobody gives them a chance... He says that he has started to recruit more older people than younger ones because he has better experiences with them.

daviecol

jellyhead wrote: »

What did the other people in this thread do at age 16-18? I did a YTS when I dropped out of 6th form, while waiting for college in September. I also had a weekend job and a paper round, although I appreciate that it's not so easy to get work nowadays. I bet not many of you were NEETS at 16-18, or at least not for the whole 2 years.

I left school and immediately started a YOP scheme. I got £25 per week, dole was £16. I thought nothing of having to work 40 hours a week for the extra £9.

Kids these days wouldn't do that, simples!

Dontknowanymore

jellyhead wrote: »

:rotfl: and maybe all the Skylanders figures? :T

I don't mean to sound nasty but I don't think my son will enjoy A levels, but it's his choice and it looks like he will scrape into the 6th form. We're still talking about college though, and he knows what courses there are, and knows he wants to study.

He's been in the Alternative curriculum where a smaller group of children gets a lot of nurturing and extra attention, and they take fewer GCSE and do an NVQ in something like hairdressing or bricklaying instead, and COPE award, and they aren't forced to take RE as a GCSE. From what my son says all of the kids in that group have ideas about what they want to do next, whereas I suspect many of them would have become disengaged if they'd carried on with full-on schooling in full classes.

I think the Alternative curriculum is great, but it seems there are lots more kids who'd benefit from that sort of extra attention to their future, and a less-stress approach to GCSEs.

My son hates working, unles it is something he likes, it's taken them 3 months to get him to do work without having to be given a choice and consiquence, he's very very bright and the teacher said that he will spend ages avoding the task then spend 5 mins on it and it's better than most of the class, he just doesn't like doing the work, but we think it's more of a confidence thing than anything, he's amazing at maths but thinks he's useless at everything
His fave subject is literacy though, but he hates writing :rotfl:
Yeah I wish we had them sort of schemes when I was at school.

daviecol wrote: »

I left school and immediately started a YOP scheme. I got £25 per week, dole was £16. I thought nothing of having to work 40 hours a week for the extra £9.

Kids these days wouldn't do that, simples!

It's not just kids though, I've heard loads of people on benefits say "what is the point in going to work for 20 hours a week for an extra £40 a week, er hello?! That is a lot of money!
And I'm not benefits bashing as I'm on Income support myself but when I used to work after my first I heard it a lot from people wondering why I bothered to work.

jellyhead

daviecol wrote: »

I left school and immediately started a YOP scheme. I got £25 per week, dole was £16. I thought nothing of having to work 40 hours a week for the extra £9.

Kids these days wouldn't do that, simples!

I hope mine would - but he's 15 and not very mature, so who knows. He did Duke of Edinburgh award and got off his bum to volunteer, so I'm hopeful. He wants to do the sort of job he did for work experience, so he knows he'll need college at least. I suggested asking them to take him as an apprentice but he has his heart set on 6th form for the moment.

There wasn't any dole when I did my YTS, which paid £29.50. There was a payment of £15 I think, for people who were between YTS schemes temporarily but you had to prove that you had good reason to leave your YTS.


As for kids not being willing to work the 40 hours for an extra £x, I know some adults who wouldn't!

jellyhead

Dontknowanymore wrote: »

My son hates working, unles it is something he likes, it's taken them 3 months to get him to do work without having to be given a choice and consiquence, he's very very bright and the teacher said that he will spend ages avoding the task then spend 5 mins on it and it's better than most of the class, he just doesn't like doing the work, but we think it's more of a confidence thing than anything, he's amazing at maths but thinks he's useless at everything
His fave subject is literacy though, but he hates writing :rotfl:
Yeah I wish we had them sort of schemes when I was at school.

The Alternative curriculum was for years 10 and 11 but was by invitation only, and for around 15 kids out of a year group of 200.

Your son will probably get more confident as he gets older He might prefer to start his own business Mine is 6 and can't really hold a pencil, so he thinks he's rubbish at everything. Lots of kids in his class seem to lack confidence, they're still so little. I'm sure we were still colouring in paper doilies and playing in a wendy house when we were 6

daviecol

Dontknowanymore wrote: »

It's not just kids though, I've heard loads of people on benefits say "what is the point in going to work for 20 hours a week for an extra £40 a week, er hello?! That is a lot of money!
And I'm not benefits bashing as I'm on Income support myself but when I used to work after my first I heard it a lot from people wondering why I bothered to work.

We hear this all the time don't we? Let's think, what is the point?

You'll be performing a useful function in society.

It means your earning your money instead of draining an overburdened welfare system.

You will be providing a good example to your family.

Once in a job you may get the opportunity to earn more money via overtime or promotion.

When your children turn 18 you won't have to come on this site with the 'oh they've stopped paying me child tax credits, what do I live off now'?

I'm sure there's lots more.

Some people have no option and due to family circumstances can't work, these are the people I feel sorry for.

In my opinion if somebody is able to work but has the attitude of 'it's not worth it'. Then they're the reason everybody who relies on benefits is about to get squeezed.

anguk

I do think it's more difficult for kids to find a job now. When my 25 year old was 16 he found it very easy to get a part time job, when he finished studying he had a full-time job within 2 days.

My 18 year old daughter has spent the last 2 years trying to find a part-time job to fit in with her A level studies but hasn't had any joy. Even when a job is advertised as part-time you have to be available to work at any time on any day, which she isn't able to do as she goes to 6th form.

We've just looked at a job advertised in Tesco, it's 8 hours over the weekend so looks ideal but you also had to be available to work any hours and any days that the store is open which she can't. Last summer she wrote to many different firms asking for unpaid work experience over the holidays, none of them would take her on, if firms won't take on kids for free what hope have they got for paid work?

It seems to be so much harder for youngsters to find work now than it was less than 10 years ago when my son was 16. Yes there are many kids who don't want to work but there's many who do and can't get work.

Dontknowanymore

daviecol wrote: »

We hear this all the time don't we? Let's think, what is the point?

You'll be performing a useful function in society.

It means your earning your money instead of draining an overburdened welfare system.

You will be providing a good example to your family.

Once in a job you may get the opportunity to earn more money via overtime or promotion.

When your children turn 18 you won't have to come on this site with the 'oh they've stopped paying me child tax credits, what do I live off now'?

I'm sure there's lots more.

Some people have no option and due to family circumstances can't work, these are the people I feel sorry for.

In my opinion if somebody is able to work but has the attitude of 'it's not worth it'. Then they're the reason everybody who relies on benefits is about to get squeezed.

Yep, well in my case it was having to move to a refuge, then to a new area and then moving again to here, longest I've ever been out of work and it's mind numbingly boring!

I mean an extra £40 a week is loads! even £20 is loads to me.
I'm probably going to be staying on IS until I finish my course, then hopefully I can go onto the level 3 course, but seeing as the course is only 3 days a week, I'm going to try and find a job that I can fit around it, but not until 2013 when my youngest is at fulltime school.
I know some people wll say I should just sack college off and work now but I really want to get this trade under my belt and think that while I can get funding I should go for it

jellyhead

Dontknowanymore wrote: »

I know some people wll say I should just sack college off and work now but I really want to get this trade under my belt and think that while I can get funding I should go for it

Yep, definitely. I would, if there was still funding for the course I was looking at.

daviecol

Dontknowanymore wrote: »

Yep, well in my case it was having to move to a refuge, then to a new area and then moving again to here, longest I've ever been out of work and it's mind numbingly boring!

I mean an extra £40 a week is loads! even £20 is loads to me.
I'm probably going to be staying on IS until I finish my course, then hopefully I can go onto the level 3 course, but seeing as the course is only 3 days a week, I'm going to try and find a job that I can fit around it, but not until 2013 when my youngest is at fulltime school.
I know some people wll say I should just sack college off and work now but I really want to get this trade under my belt and think that while I can get funding I should go for it

Well done you! Good luck