PIP, and the shrinking of motability/HRM.

LadyMorticia

Anubis wrote: »

Brilliant Idea! Research for such things is dire in the UK but they are finding out more lately. I am in touch with a few good professional photographers as I used to do it myself (semi pro). I miss it so much. I had to end up selling the Canon D SLR as it became unmanageable for me and since then I haven't done any. I kept the lenses though just incase, we live in hope

I think I'd find it really hard to give up Photography. It's my biggest passion and even though I'm ill alot, I appreciate it when I can take photos, even if it's from my bed.

I can't wait for Spring so that my husband can take me for a wheel outside if I'm well enough and I can get some nature shots. There are only so many shots of jewellery and close-ups of objects one can take before they start looking samey.:o

strong96

im reading through every post and totally lost, so like me i´m indefinate HRM, so i will be assessed for this new PIP when? and how as i´m wife of a soldier serving in germany.

uponahill

Anubis wrote: »

So you have been here a month and know of Andy? :rotfl:

The point is I CAN'T go to the gymn, even if £100,000 depended on it, additionally I CAN'T drive, even though I want to and have to have a designated driver.

If you can work out at the gymn, it is very unlikely you need MRC at the very least, as I know people who couldn't do it and get less.

Oh yes, I have been a long time lurker and have seen what people have written about him on this site.

What has being able to lift weights got to do with needing care??

I was given MRC based soley on medical evidence that backed up everything that I put on the claim form.

Maybe you think that I have a bent GP???

uponahill

This country has more 'disabled and sick' than in any other western country - I wonder why??

moose1982

uponahill wrote: »

This country has more 'disabled and sick' than in any other western country - I wonder why??

Maybe, just maybe, if you stopped to try and help people, then people with various disabilities will actually be able to do more.

Do other countries help their most vunerable people as much as we do? I would imagine some go further than us, but not all, I would imagine most are either, on a par, or help out less. Should the most vunerable in society be helped? I believe so. I paid my taxes when I could and am aiming to be back in work when I can and I hope that money goes to the most vunerable.

When I was last working, I was earning (through two jobs) about £47k before tax etc etc, now my physical disability means I cannot do them. I've never begrudged anyone a decent standard of living and do not intend on start doing so. In my eyes, I've been at the top (earning a good amount), to the bottom (homeless last year), so I know what it's like at many levels. One of my previous jobs was doing a service to a specific group of disabled people (I dare not say the company name though!) in their homes and so I was able to see people in various states. Did I care that most were unable to work? Nope, they were still alive because we have our NHS and welfare system and that is what we must preserve.

The trouble is, that support is eroding away Andy. We need the NHS and welfare system to be more efficient so they can deliver more services, but not just say 'you're not on deaths door, so we don't care' and that is almost how they are turning.

You need to be careful as well. The amount of usernames you've created and stories you've told, you might start believing them and they really are you, when they aren't. Did you not wonder how so many of us managed to figure out who you were so quickly? I'm sure no-one on here means you harm, but please stop with the lies and start helping others. Believe it or not, it's actually nice, even if it is just saying what others with more knowledge have confirmed with links to DWP, that's all I do, adding my own experiences when I feel it's appropriate. If you really have had some problems, found solutions, then you might be able to actually help people. Please try it instead of just having a constant go at everyone.

CTcelt1988

uponahill wrote: »

No!! I am all for it!! PIP will be a good thing for the truly disabled.

Yes I do have a Motability car at the moment, and yes I will lose it under PIP.

That is small change to me if I can see that the new PIP benefit is only given to those that truly deserve it!

How will PIP exactly help the genuine disabled? It will certainly not help disabled people. It may weed out the fraudsters but it will go too far and genuine disabled people who need help will lose it. Many will lose their HRM and their cars and possibly lose their LRC/HRC.

I will probably lose my HRM, which enables me to get a car which helps me get to work (I work 30 miles away).That will take away my means of getting out. I doubt I will get the Lower care PIP either, which will affect me, as I need some help with certain things.

Many will suffer. I am suprised at your attidude, considering you are disabled. You may not be worried about the change from DLA to PIP, but thousands are.

pauletruth

you seem strangly anti dla claimers yet you have been getting it since the 1990s.
you claim in your posts that your stuck at home unable to work but you have savings that will allow you to buy a car.
yet your sure your going to fail this new test. does that not indicate that your not as sick as you claim. maybe if you got a job you would feel better about yourself and thus not judge others.
until i chose to come off sick and become self employed i was checked every year by an dss doctor. they deemed me unfit. i even went into the job centre and they refused to help as i was to disabled to get work for.
so uponahill when was your last medical and if you think you can cope without it why are you claiming it.

your a very odd person to be so angry about disabled people being able to get about. not being in a wheelchair does not mean your cheating. every step i take is painful some times agony i get knackered after a very short distance yet by this new system im not disabled nice.

uponahill

pauletruth wrote: »

you seem strangly anti dla claimers yet you have been getting it since the 1990s.
you claim in your posts that your stuck at home unable to work but you have savings that will allow you to buy a car.
yet your sure your going to fail this new test. does that not indicate that your not as sick as you claim. maybe if you got a job you would feel better about yourself and thus not judge others.
until i chose to come off sick and become self employed i was checked every year by an dss doctor. they deemed me unfit. i even went into the job centre and they refused to help as i was to disabled to get work for.
so uponahill when was your last medical and if you think you can cope without it why are you claiming it.

your a very odd person to be so angry about disabled people being able to get about. not being in a wheelchair does not mean your cheating. every step i take is painful some times agony i get knackered after a very short distance yet by this new system im not disabled nice.

What I am against is the continual pushing of the boundaries by claimants looking to latch on to DLA.
Some of the conditions/illnesses that are now being used to back up needs, were hardly ever mentioned in the 90's.
Most of them seem to be conditions that have no provable source other than it isn't this and that so it MUST be this!
Let's get back to what DLA was initially for. The severely disabled who could do with some financial help to either get them out and about, back into work or just make their lives a little easier.
Now DLA seems to be 'the one to get on' not only for the extra money but also for the add on benefits.

PIP can start afresh and go back to what these payments were actually intended for - the long term/life time disabled who are suffering from recognised needs.

I never said I was stuck at home.
I am unable to work. I gave up employment with the Civil Service only because I could not offer a date I would be able to return to full time duty.
Why would I want to look for a job? I had one, a good one but gave it all up when I became sick.

Yes I have some savings, but those are almost gone now in having to top up our income to pay our bills and mortgage.
I am looking to buy a new car instead of renting a Motability one. The HRM I get will go towards the monthly payments for as long as I get DLA. After that, I will have to cut back one hell of a lot to afford the payments as I know I will not be awarded PIP as the definition of HRM has changed in that you need to be in a wheelchair as well as have difficulty walking.

Maybe I am odd. I never want to think or believe that I am disabled. Why should I? I don't want to feel sorry for myself.
Besides which I have enough hobbies and activities that keep me going. I also carry out voluntary work for a charity helping older people with their tax problems.

pstuart

pauletruth wrote: »

you seem strangly anti dla claimers yet you have been getting it since the 1990s.
you claim in your posts that your stuck at home unable to work but you have savings that will allow you to buy a car.
yet your sure your going to fail this new test. does that not indicate that your not as sick as you claim. maybe if you got a job you would feel better about yourself and thus not judge others.
until i chose to come off sick and become self employed i was checked every year by an dss doctor. they deemed me unfit. i even went into the job centre and they refused to help as i was to disabled to get work for.
so uponahill when was your last medical and if you think you can cope without it why are you claiming it.

your a very odd person to be so angry about disabled people being able to get about. not being in a wheelchair does not mean your cheating. every step i take is painful some times agony i get knackered after a very short distance yet by this new system im not disabled nice.

Please do not feed the Trolls

Anubis_2

uponahill wrote: »

What I am against is the continual pushing of the boundaries by claimants looking to latch on to DLA.
Some of the conditions/illnesses that are now being used to back up needs, were hardly ever mentioned in the 90's.
Most of them seem to be conditions that have no provable source other than it isn't this and that so it MUST be this!
Let's get back to what DLA was initially for. The severely disabled who could do with some financial help to either get them out and about, back into work or just make their lives a little easier.
Now DLA seems to be 'the one to get on' not only for the extra money but also for the add on benefits.

PIP can start afresh and go back to what these payments were actually intended for - the long term/life time disabled who are suffering from recognised needs.

I never said I was stuck at home.
I am unable to work. I gave up employment with the Civil Service only because I could not offer a date I would be able to return to full time duty.
Why would I want to look for a job? I had one, a good one but gave it all up when I became sick.

Yes I have some savings, but those are almost gone now in having to top up our income to pay our bills and mortgage.
I am looking to buy a new car instead of renting a Motability one. The HRM I get will go towards the monthly payments for as long as I get DLA. After that, I will have to cut back one hell of a lot to afford the payments as I know I will not be awarded PIP as the definition of HRM has changed in that you need to be in a wheelchair as well as have difficulty walking.

Maybe I am odd. I never want to think or believe that I am disabled. Why should I? I don't want to feel sorry for myself.
Besides which I have enough hobbies and activities that keep me going. I also carry out voluntary work for a charity helping older people with their tax problems.

DLA is about the NEEDS and MOBILITY ONLY and has nothing to do with diagnosis.

Just because someone is not in a wheelchair does not mean they are not disabled.

Disability is the inability to carry out normal day to day tasks to the effect it impacts on quality of life. It has nothing to do with the old fashioned perception of being "crippled" and in a "wheelchair" whatsoever - that is a philistine view.

Quite frankly, if someone is going to focus on "I am more deserving because I represent the idealistic version of disability" then it just shows bitterness, and underestimates what other people may suffer, and is also derogatory against the needs of others.

Constant Severe pain is not a part of normal life, neither is constant severe discomfort, and feeling both each day can drive a person insane, and lead to suicide ( and has led to suicide in many cases.)

If someone is unable to walk more than a few steps because their prosthetic legs hurt them, or someone is unable to walk a few steps because it causes severe pain then there is NO difference in their mobility needs, the only difference is in how they look physically.

If you have care needs and mobility needs above and beyond a person of similar age, you are entitled to apply for DLA.