Breeders don't care about dogs, but only about 'winning'

DebiT

Well in my humble opinion its time breeding or dogs or cats was brought to an end. There are plenty of lovely rescue animals literally dying for a good home, without people breeding more.
I really dont understand this pedigree snobbery either where people are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds for one animal just to show them off. Lets get the stray and unwanted animals homed first before we start breeding more.

lostinrates

DebiT wrote: »

Well in my humble opinion its time breeding or dogs or cats was brought to an end. There are plenty of lovely rescue animals literally dying for a good home, without people breeding more.
I really dont understand this pedigree snobbery either where people are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds for one animal just to show them off. Lets get the stray and unwanted animals homed first before we start breeding more.

What about dogs bred for working purpose? Police dogs, rescue dogs, sniffer dogs, guide dogs? Often pedigree and bred for specific traits that they are generally better at than other dogs? We can't just breed a few of these, as the genepools would become even narrower!

If we stopped breeding their would be one generation of animals, then nothing, which i know a lot of people would prefer, no pet ownership.
The people who were not stopped breeding and did it outside your law would be the ones who are not abiding by the rules and good breeding guidlines now inimagine. Or people would buy digs fropm overseas, where we would hjave no say in theior welfare.

The other thing that makes me sad is when i see pedigree dogs in rescue or advertised 'second hand' when the relevant breed society rescue is over subscribed eith a waiting list.

Frugalista

DebiT wrote: »

Lets get the stray and unwanted animals homed first before we start breeding more.

Can I ask how many animals you have given a home to and which shelters you donate regularly to?

Person_one

DebiT wrote: »

Well in my humble opinion its time breeding or dogs or cats was brought to an end. There are plenty of lovely rescue animals literally dying for a good home, without people breeding more.
I really dont understand this pedigree snobbery either where people are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds for one animal just to show them off. Lets get the stray and unwanted animals homed first before we start breeding more.

Too simple.

As Frugalista said, that's a very quick path to either a world without dogs or a world with only dogs coming from irresponsible criminal breeders.

In a perfect world, far fewer dogs would be bred, because the puppy farms and the backyard breeders out to make a fast buck would be gone and the show obsessed breeders who sacrifice their breed's health for the sake of a shiny prize would be gone.

What we need to remain are people who breed dogs because they truly love them and want to maintain a population of healthy, well cared for dogs and aren't motivated by money or status.

There will always be rescue though, as there are just some circumstances where dogs end up homeless that are truly unavoidable.

DebiT

Frugalista wrote: »

Can I ask how many animals you have given a home to and which shelters you donate regularly to?

Well seeing as youre so interested, I have had 15 cats over the years, most of them were adult rescue cats from either the RSPCA or Cats protection, a couple were from smaller local rescues. I currently have two RSPCA rescue cats, and have donated quite a few times.

DebiT

Person_one wrote: »

Too simple.
What we need to remain are people who breed dogs because they truly love them and want to maintain a population of healthy, well cared for dogs and aren't motivated by money or status.

Well thats all very nice. Good luck with finding such people.

alihud

I've had first hand experience of how devastating the health problems can be for a pug. My lovely girl is now 4 years old. She has had the worst allergic reaction you have ever seen when she was 8 months old,it was so bad the vets took photos as they have never seen anything so bad,she had huge lumps all over her and they were hanging from her skin. When she was one she developed an ulcer that ate away the cornea in her eye,she went onto have emergency surgery,they managed to save the eye but not her site. In the last few months she has had unexplained spasms in her neck which they thought maybe meningitis which can be fatal for pugs. Luckily this wasn't the case but the following week she developed another ulcer in her good eye,more emergency surgery and is now practically blind in both eyes. We are devastated although we are so glad we have still got her. I am also glad she is insured because it has cost thousands. I really did my homework in getting her from a good breeder as I knew they could have health problems but I think you kind of hope they will be lucky. How wrong I was. Her breathing is awful,she cannot be taken out in the heat as she can faint. If she is sick she passes out. I will never ever ever get another pug and I tell everyone I meet who go gaga over her never to get one because the heartache has been tremendous. My vet told me they see it all the time at the eye hospital. It's just not right. They may have a fantastic personality but i just don't want anyone to go through this.

Person_one

DebiT wrote: »

Well thats all very nice. Good luck with finding such people.

So...we may as well just give up now, right?

These people already exist, its more about stopping the other kinds, really!

OnAndUp

alihud wrote: »

I've had first hand experience of how devastating the health problems can be for a pug. My lovely girl is now 4 years old. She has had the worst allergic reaction you have ever seen when she was 8 months old,it was so bad the vets took photos as they have never seen anything so bad,she had huge lumps all over her and they were hanging from her skin. When she was one she developed an ulcer that ate away the cornea in her eye,she went onto have emergency surgery,they managed to save the eye but not her site. In the last few months she has had unexplained spasms in her neck which they thought maybe meningitis which can be fatal for pugs. Luckily this wasn't the case but the following week she developed another ulcer in her good eye,more emergency surgery and is now practically blind in both eyes. We are devastated although we are so glad we have still got her. I am also glad she is insured because it has cost thousands. I really did my homework in getting her from a good breeder as I knew they could have health problems but I think you kind of hope they will be lucky. How wrong I was. Her breathing is awful,she cannot be taken out in the heat as she can faint. If she is sick she passes out. I will never ever ever get another pug and I tell everyone I meet who go gaga over her never to get one because the heartache has been tremendous. My vet told me they see it all the time at the eye hospital. It's just not right. They may have a fantastic personality but i just don't want anyone to go through this.

How sad, especially when you did your homework too

Like you say good job that you have insurance.

Frugalista

alihud wrote: »

I've had first hand experience of how devastating the health problems can be for a pug. My lovely girl is now 4 years old. She has had the worst allergic reaction you have ever seen when she was 8 months old,it was so bad the vets took photos as they have never seen anything so bad,she had huge lumps all over her and they were hanging from her skin. When she was one she developed an ulcer that ate away the cornea in her eye,she went onto have emergency surgery,they managed to save the eye but not her site. In the last few months she has had unexplained spasms in her neck which they thought maybe meningitis which can be fatal for pugs. Luckily this wasn't the case but the following week she developed another ulcer in her good eye,more emergency surgery and is now practically blind in both eyes. We are devastated although we are so glad we have still got her. I am also glad she is insured because it has cost thousands. I really did my homework in getting her from a good breeder as I knew they could have health problems but I think you kind of hope they will be lucky. How wrong I was. Her breathing is awful,she cannot be taken out in the heat as she can faint. If she is sick she passes out. I will never ever ever get another pug and I tell everyone I meet who go gaga over her never to get one because the heartache has been tremendous. My vet told me they see it all the time at the eye hospital. It's just not right. They may have a fantastic personality but i just don't want anyone to go through this.

I'm so sorry to hear about your pug and her ill health - but to be fair, the eye and breathing problems are well documented and you would have been aware of the risks before purchasing this breed.

However, severe allergic reactions (to what??) and meningitis are not breed specific and to lay the blame for those conditions with the breeder are grossly unfair. Human children frequently die from these two conditions - would you label their parents as negligent and irresponsible or tragically unlucky??