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Work for benefits?
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Eton_Rifle wrote: »To further play the devil's advocate, there are plenty of professions where people work for nothing just to get their foot in the door.
thats a choice workfare isntReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
johnny_storm wrote: »Perhaps they could do the washing, ironing, house work and gardening of those forced to pay for them to stay alive.
just because your too lazy to do your own dont mean you can force others to do itReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
Yes it is. A choice that if declined wouldn't mean an end of liberty and time in prison. Unlike the worker who will be thrown in jail if they don't pay for the person on benefits.thats a choice workfare isnt"The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else." -- Frederic Bastiat, 1848.0 -
Yes it is. A choice that if declined wouldn't mean an end of liberty and time in prison. Unlike the worker who will be thrown in jail if they don't pay for the person on benefits.
why would they get jailed
if someone does not turn up to workfare their money gets stopped they end up starving and homlessReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
People have to support themselves. End of story.
Ideally, that should be done through getting a job and getting on with it.
If they can't get a job, then requiring people to work for their welfare payments seems absolutely fair to me.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »People have to support themselves. End of story.
Ideally, that should be done through getting a job and getting on with it.
If they can't get a job, then requiring people to work for their welfare payments seems absolutely fair to me.
so where are all these jobs then espesially if 500 people are losing thiers a dayReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
why would they get jailed
if someone does not turn up to workfare their money gets stopped they end up starving and homless
People in employment pay for those on welfare to not work.
We can't refuse to pay the taxes forcibly taken form us to support the f eckless, and if we do we can end up jailed.
Whereas nobody is forcing you to work. You can always choose not to work for your benefits by choosing to give up those benefits.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
so where are all these jobs then espesially if 500 people are losing thiers a day
If you're willing to work in order to support yourself, then you should have no problem with working in order for the state to support you.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »If you're willing to work in order to support yourself, then you should have no problem with working in order for the state to support you.
sorry dont be a clot if they can provide say 20 hours for some one on benefits to do slave labour(and thats what it is ) why can they not give that person the same job but pay them nmw
the reason because their is no jobs and companies are just getting free staff and profitering from it where as six months down the line the unemployed person will still be in the same boat
and the tory idiots can fiddle their statistic's like they did their expensesReplies to posts are always welcome, If I have made a mistake in the post, I am human, tell me nicely and it will be corrected. If your reply cannot be nice, has an underlying issue, or you believe that you are God, please post in another forum. Thank you0 -
so where are all these jobs then espesially if 500 people are losing thiers a day
Look, we are never going to have 100% employment. It's impossible, people lose their jobs every day.
However, that does NOT give the excuse to anyone to be sitting on the dole for over a year. Jobs are fluid. We will always have unemployed people. But that doesn't neccesarily mean the same unemployed people stay unemployed for years.
You could have someone taking on a job who's been unemployed for 6 months and someone losing their job at the same time in another part of the country who's been employed for 20 years. Unemployment remains at the same level, but the people making up that number are different people.
The argument about there not being enough jobs is a very easy one. It's used constantly. Theres no thought put behind it, it's just a convinient dismissal of any other opinion.
It's harder to get a job now, sure, and no one is denying that. But again, it does not give the excuse for some to continually stay unemployed.0
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