Excel Parking PCN

pineapple

trisontana wrote: »

what we object to are the vastly inflated "charges" which are demanded if the motorists breaks one of the "rules", such as having a wheel touch a white line, or (even worse) staying a few minutes over the allotted time, even though that motorist might have spent hundreds of pounds in the store.

I definitely agree that discretion should be used in such cases.
But the other side to this is that the stores/shopping complexes which charge a fee tend to be those in or near town centres. If the store doesn't control parking, town shoppers ignore the 'pay and display car parks 'and park up for free while those who actually want to shop at the stores in question can't get parked!
Some stores charge parking then refund it at the till. Maybe that's the fairest way.

Coupon-mad

pineapple wrote: »

If people don't agree with the parking charges for parking on private land they shouldn't park there. End of.

So you if you never use car parks when you have legitimate business to go to:

Supermarkets
Shopping Retail Outlets
Furniture or white goods retail parks
Entertainment complexes
Children's centres like Fun Factory, playgroups etc.
Sports Centres
Gyms
Swimming Pools
McDonalds and fast food places
Hotels and pubs
Schools and colleges
Universities
Church or Community Centre Halls
Train stations
Dunelm Mill and similar stores
B&Q and similar stores
Ikea and similar stores
Motorway Services
Garages
Private blacks of flats where friends/relatives live
Doctors' surgeries
Dentists' surgeries
Hospitals
Theatres or cinema



..where exactly would you suggest parking then? And if no vehicles should park at all, 'end of' how can these places ever have deliveries of anything, or accept visitors, patients, customers who need to arrive by car? :rotfl:

On this forum we are not talking about some random rude bad parkers dumping their cars on random strips of private land! We are talking about people victimised and illegally harassed for daring to park with lawful authority in the above places but falling 'foul' of a sneaky protection racket they would never have suspected that a big store or service would ever allow onsite!

No-one on this forum tells people not to pay P&D fees.

give_them_FA

That's a helpful contribution pineapple! I agree with you that the car parks should not be abused. What we are combatting here, though, is the parasitic companies whose only objective is to extort vastly disproportionate sums from credulous motorists (often disabled) for often imagined and arbitrary "offences". It IS no more than a scam. There are, as you say other ways to control car park use fairly- the most obvious being to erect barriers at entrance and exit so that a FAIR parking charge can be automatically levied, or the time spent in the park be controlled.

taffy056

pineapple wrote: »

If people don't agree with the parking charges for parking on private land they shouldn't park there. End of.

Thing is you can agree the charge to park there and pay to do so, but what the parking companies do is try and look at minor things like parking slightly on a white line, or simply ignoring a ticket because it was the wrong way round or not hearing legitimate appeals to them.


And as most car parks in retail parks are free in any case , they issue penalties for people overstaying despite the motorists using the facilities on site, or no returns in 2 hours, have you ever gone to a shop did your shop left then you went back because you forgot something ? Do that and you will fall foul of the no return they have!


So what you have here are parking companies with pathetic rules, there is no consideration or acceptance of any contract, most people don't even know there are specific rules of parking beyond don't park in disabled bays, 99.9% of people wouldn't do that in any case unless they needed too. Which brings up the next point disabled bays that allow blue badge holders only in them are against the equalities act and are discrimination against disabled people without blue badges.


Does that short reply answer your question, or do you want it more detail ?

pineapple

taffy056 wrote: »

Does that short reply answer your question, or do you want it more detail ?

I wasn't aware I had asked any questions but thanks anyway.
But while on the subject of car parking practices, councils aren't much better. A 80+ year old man I know was slapped with a PCN by a council jobsworth because his sticker was upside down. Yes he got it rescinded but he had to go into town again, fill in a form....
That's HALIFAX council if anybody from there is reading this.

trisontana

Private parking companies don't know the meaning of "discretion". There "business plan" depends on conning people into believing that they have received a proper parking ticket for breaking the T&Cs (instead of an invoice). The only way they make their money is by motorists paying these stupid charges. If they used discretion then their profits would suffer.

pineapple

Coupon-mad wrote: »

..where exactly would you suggest parking then? And if no vehicles should park at all, 'end of' how can these places ever have deliveries of anything, or accept visitors, patients, customers who need to arrive by car? :rotfl:

On this forum we are not talking about some random rude bad parkers dumping their cars on random strips of private land! We are talking about people victimised and illegally harassed for daring to park with lawful authority in the above places but falling 'foul' of a sneaky protection racket they would never have suspected that a big store or service would ever allow onsite!

Your list is bizarre. Some of the specific places you mention are out of town and don't have charges. Some stores (mostly those in town) do have charges. How bizarre too that you didn't get my point? Which is that wherever one chooses to park, one should take note of the terms and conditions.
But of course I don't support 'sneakiness' - whether on the part of councils or private landholders.
The prize for sneakiness goes to that car park in Haworth plus countless cowboy clampers - which is the real scandal which needs to be addressed.

trisontana

pineapple wrote: »

I wasn't aware I had asked any questions but thanks anyway.
But while on the subject of car parking practices, councils aren't much better. A 80+ year old man I know was slapped with a PCN by a council jobsworth because his sticker was upside down. Yes he got it rescinded but he had to go into town again, fill in a form....
That's HALIFAX council if anybody from there is reading this.

This just shows that the council appeals service works. Contrast that to the PPC's "appeals" process. It's done in-house and (as I pointed out above) it's not in the company's interest to allow an appeal, their profits would suffer. Councils do uphold a large proportion of appeals, PPC's just a very tiny minority.

trisontana

pineapple wrote: »

Some of the specific places you mention are out of town and don't have charges.

You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the charge you have pay and the charges demanded by parking companies for breaking their rules.

give_them_FA

Funny enough having thought about it I actually agree with you in a way, Pineapple.

If all motorists refused to park in car parks where the scammers were operating, all our problems would be solved. The retailers, who would be hardest hit by the activities of their parasites, would kick them out. They would be out of business. That is what this forum is, ultimately, aiming at, I believe. Every person we enlighten on here should tell ten others. And those ten each tell ten more. And so on...