'Consultation over the Gambling Introductory Offer Loopholes board' blog discussion

orcocan

I don't really care what she's up to in her own time, whether she's a "fraudster" or not. What's undeniable is what's in the PRS thread, that's still there for everyone to read... I'm not sure how someone who couldn't tell a blatant ponzi scheme apart from a legit bookie could be a "guide" on a forum like giol.

Derivative

I don't take advantage of the GIOL board myself due to time constraints (it seems that those making thousands per year put significant amounts of time into it - a great hobby that pays dividends to be sure).

But I think that keeping it around is a good idea. The disclaimer is there - you could perhaps make an argument for beefing it up, or having a splash page which has to be clicked through. People are 'vulnerable' only in that they are uneducated. The reason this site exists is I believe to educate people on personal finance and keeping hold of their own money.

I don't think that keeping people in the dark is ever a good thing. Present the facts and let people take control of their own destiny. Martin and the team do not endorse any of the comments posted on the site besides of course their own.

Red_Joker

Just a thought for the MSE team - if you are having to delete posts from posters in favour of closing the forum for breaking the rules regarding personal abuse perhaps the forum is doing something right and should be kept in some form. I hope you are giving more weight to the arguments of posters who can keep a civil tongue in their head.

jobbingmusician

orcocan wrote: »

probably controversial, isnt this the point of the consultation? Or do we just have to pretend it's all hunky dory?

something tells me that "people" is actually the board guide...

The BG on this board has the power to delete posts on this board. I do not.

globalds

Maybe time to close it.

regrettably as I have just (Christmas) introduced my son to the art of clicking real money into existence.

But MSE is such a large operation it does affect the industry. GIOL has made it harder to match bet.

emcwill

As an aside to those at MSE who deal with abuse etc, which is pertinent to this thread but I assume must apply elsewhere too: if you feel the need to delete a post, rather than just remove it altogether saying nothing, couldn't you leave the post so the poster's name is still visible, but replace the text of the post with something like 'this post has been deleted by the abuse team', in the way you do with some sigs? I ask this specifically because JM has received an awful lot of personal abuse on this thread and others. When these posts are then deleted by MSE, some people leap to the conclusion that JM has used her 'powers' to make 'criticism' disappear, which then appears to verify some of the criticism leveled against her, which is often nothing more than unsubstantiated rumour. It would also reveal any persistent offenders as such.

apps4u

Can we actually have the post back please. I am strongly in the leave it alone camp along with the vast majority. The removed post was a critisism of the GIOL board and a critisism of JM and a recommendation to close the board on the back of that. but it had nothing at all in it to warrant deletion it was just a view with a reason. I find its deletion in a consultation thread to be disturbing on principle. Anyone else who had the chance to read it would agree and an explanation is called for by whoever removed it as to why?

tobiascurious

apps4u wrote: »

Can we actually have the post back please. I am strongly in the leave it alone camp along with the vast majority. The removed post was a critisism of the GIOL board and a critisism of JM and a recommendation to close the board on the back of that. but it had nothing at all in it to warrant deletion it was just a view with a reason. I find its deletion in a consultation thread to be disturbing on principle. Anyone else who had the chance to read it would agree and an explanation is called for by whoever removed it as to why?

I think it was automatically removed after a certain number of people clicked spam

emcwill

tobiascurious wrote: »

I think it was automatically removed after a certain number of people clicked spam

I think you're wrong. The part of my post where I quoted from a removed post has also been deleted and a message appears at the bottom that it was edited by the 'ForumTeam3'. The posts were clearly removed by them for making personal attacks on JM that are unsubstantiated, such as that she is a 'fraudster'.

This is precisely why I have requested that the team that delete posts make it clear when, and why, they have done so; so that paranoia is not fueled about any group or person operating by subterfuge.

(For the record: I haven't clicked spam on any post on this thread.)

orcocan

NO, NO and again NO.

My post contained NO personal offense, NO accusation of anyone being a fraudster, nothing like that at all.

I was strongly questioning how someone like JM could still be a board guide after promoting a ponzi scheme as a 'fab bookie' and again questioning how having a virtual monopoly on the betfair referral thread was compatible with being a guide of the board particularly after what happened with PRS.

Like it's being said above, I find it disturbing that my post was deleted without any explanation just because I said an inconvenient truth? The fact that JM gets accused of anything and everything makes her automatically immune from all responsibility towards the board? I said that the board should be closed unless it can be policed by somebody who knows what they're talking about. The current leadership offers no such guarantee (the MSE towers don't have a clue by their own admission, one guide is nowhere to be seen and the other can't tell a ponzi scheme apart from william hill). Should this the people who should police the board? Really?

The thread about PRS is there for everyone to read, funny pics and idiotic comments galore. Everyone defending the board in its current form should take 30 minutes and have a read. That thread is simply REVOLTING.

I wonder how long this post will last, as it pretty much says the same things as the one that got deleted.