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sun-n-moon

So what about the Corolla question then?

motorguy

colino wrote: »

No Motorguy, I actually have to comply with the law and those four specific phrases which are used to circumvent consumer law are quoted in our OFT guidance that cannot be used. Even if you add the phrase, and I quote, "this does not affect your statutory rights", you are contravening the law.

No.

The exact context you refer to is if you are misleading the customer as to their rights under the sale of goods act by using one of those four phrases.

"Misleading consumers about their
statutory or other rights, for example,
by using words or statements such as
‘Sold as Seen’ or ‘Trade Sale Only’ or
‘No Refund’ or ‘Spare or Repair’ even if
the statement ‘this does not affect your
statutory rights’ is included."

For example, a £1,500 car but advertising it as 'spares or repair' when clearly its not.

By selling a £250 car with loads of listed faults as 'spares or repair' isnt misleading anyone, its stating a fact.

colino

I'm amazed you actually have the balls to quote the OFT guide, but then put your own interpretation on it. It is crystal clear, you cannot attempt to reduce consumer rights by using any weasel words and they give those four direct examples. Selling a car to a consumer means it still has to comply with SOGA, the application will be different if it cost a £1 compared to £10k, but the law is the same. I'm guessing you've been remotely involved in the business and still hanker for the good old days when you could stamp the back of every receipt, "Sold as seen, tried and tested, no warranty given or implied" and hope nobody turned the paper over until they got out the gate.

motorguy

colino wrote: »

I'm amazed you actually have the balls to quote the OFT guide, but then put your own interpretation on it. It is crystal clear, you cannot attempt to reduce consumer rights by using any weasel words and they give those four direct examples. Selling a car to a consumer means it still has to comply with SOGA, the application will be different if it cost a £1 compared to £10k, but the law is the same. I'm guessing you've been remotely involved in the business and still hanker for the good old days when you could stamp the back of every receipt, "Sold as seen, tried and tested, no warranty given or implied" and hope nobody turned the paper over until they got out the gate.

Firstly, WHY are you having to resort to a personal attack on me?

Can we stick to the debate in hand please. There is no need to try to undermine people, just because their opinion differs from yours.

motorguy

colino wrote: »

I'm amazed you actually have the balls to quote the OFT guide, but then put your own interpretation on it. It is crystal clear, you cannot attempt to reduce consumer rights by using any weasel words and they give those four direct examples. Selling a car to a consumer means it still has to comply with SOGA, the application will be different if it cost a £1 compared to £10k, but the law is the same. I'm guessing you've been remotely involved in the business and still hanker for the good old days when you could stamp the back of every receipt, "Sold as seen, tried and tested, no warranty given or implied" and hope nobody turned the paper over until they got out the gate.

From Citizens advice website

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/nireland/consumer_ni/consumer_cars_and_other_vehicles_e/consumer_problems_with_the_car_you_bought_e/the_car_you_bought_is_not_roadworthy.htm

"If the car is being sold for spares or repair, it's not an offence if it's unroadworthy. It is the seller’s responsibility to make you fully aware that the car you're buying isn't for use on the road.

If you buy a car that's not for use on the road, the seller should ask you to sign an agreement saying this. Other signs that a car is not for use on the road include:

a sign on the car and information in the advert saying the car was not roadworthy and was being sold for "spares or repair"
the seller will not let you drive the car away from the premises
the seller will not give you an MOT certificate or tax disc.
If you did not buy the car to use on the road, you cannot take any action against the seller for selling you an unroadworthy car."

So there you go, you CAN sell a car for spares or repair.

Or are you going to give Citizens Advice a ring in the morning and tell them to take this down from their website?

motorguy

Colino, as i said earlier, you're mis-reading it.

Its only an offence if you sell a car for 'spares or repair' as a way of diminishing a customers rights. If the car truly is for spares or repair, then no offence is being committed.

Hope that clears it up for you.

motorguy

hewhoisnotintheknow wrote: »

have a fiddle under the seats with the (orange??) cable

i believe it can cause the air bag light to come on

give it a google, good luck!

I recently ran a 406 upto 310thousand, without and real dramas, sold it on, still going strong now!

I recently got a mate of mine a 406 with similar miles - 325K and going strong. Hes about 332 on it now.

Great cars!

motorguy

westwood68 wrote: »

I would have created another thread for this question but I do believe it is relevant to the bangernomics mind-set.

Watching an old Top Gear last night reminded me of the time the researchers managed to buy an old Volvo for a *claimed* £1 as it was an old trade-in at a big dealer.

Has anyone tried to get an old trade-in like this? They are cars which will obviously be going straight to auction but are dealers willing to part with examples like this before actually being sent off or do they normally have a deal with the auction house to just send cars they don't want on their forecourt through?

Not saying I could find something for £1 but if it's a technique that can be used, surely it's worth a try?

A lot of dealers will have trade men who buy up cheapie stuff like this OR it will go straight to auction OR scrapped.

Farzackerly

scotsman4th wrote: »

I'd suspect the time Top Gear got a car for £1 was when scrap was down.
Probably about the time my local breaker was telling me that i could leave it if I wanted but I wasnt getting paid for it.
Used to get cars for free in the small ads then too.

Back then you had to pay to get them taken away; now, the sods will nick anything for scrap that hasn't moved a wheel in a month.

Farzackerly

sun-n-moon wrote: »

So what about the Corolla question then?

Pretty much bombproof if you change the oil every 5 or 6K and don't thrash the nuts off it everywhere.
My ShyteOldToyota has only done 100K, but it still drives like a much younger car and I suspect the rustworm will see it off long before mechanical failure. It's still going at 24 years old Nothing special, not in any way a classic, but a fairly good (if bland) representative of the Japan-built Toyotas of the late 80s.