Urgent help needed wiring a ceiling rose

societys_child

sid1234 wrote: »

Cheers mate...Now I know how to find the switched live wire...

...but with regards to the fan, it is controlled via a rotary switch on the wall similar to a light switch....I don't know which cable coming from the ceiling is for the fan...??

Can you not use the continuity meter again and turn the rotary switch? The needle on the meter should rise / fall as you turn it.

Have you tested which wire is the live/ neutral feed from the mains? You said you're competent with meters so I shouldn't have to say it - but I will, be careful.

sid1234 wrote: »

Also would the cable going to the fan also not have a switched live as it is also controlled via a switch on the wall?....

When you say rotary switch do you mean similar to a dimmer, does it click off when turned down, or are we talking another switch ( making that 3 switches in all) . . getting confused now .

sid1234_2

Cheers to all for your help...

I will try it now and touch wood with a bit of luck, it will all work fine...I will update once I have hopefully completed the wiring correctly and have a working light switch.

muckybutt

FGS why oh why do folks mess about with electricity when they havent a clue what they are doing.

Op you say you are competant, sorry to say that in my eyes (being a sparky) you are no where near competant and are a danger to yourself and others around you.

Next time do us all a favour and get a sparky to do the job for you.

sid1234_2

societys_child wrote: »

Can you not use the continuity meter again and turn the rotary switch? The needle on the meter should rise / fall as you turn it.

Have you tested which wire is the live/ neutral feed from the mains? You said you're competent with meters so I shouldn't have to say it - but I will, be careful.



When you say rotary switch do you mean similar to a dimmer, does it click off when turned down, or are we talking another switch ( making that 3 switches in all) . . getting confused now .

Sorry for the confusion mate...

I was thinking of turning the rotary switch too to test the cable for the fan with my multimeter connected but wasn't 100% sure whether I could do this..

I have tested using a tester and have found the cables coming from the consumer unit as these are always live and these will be put into the ceiling rose as per normal..is this right?

It is more of a click off one- it basically switches on as u turn it and then u can control the speed that you want the fan to ouput at as it has 5 different settings.

Sorry I have two switches...one standard single light switch and one is for the fan.

sid1234_2

muckybutt wrote: »

FGS why oh why do folks mess about with electricity when they havent a clue what they are doing.

Op you say you are competant, sorry to say that in my eyes (being a sparky) you are no where near competant and are a danger to yourself and others around you.

Next time do us all a favour and get a sparky to do the job for you.

Sorry comepetent might be the wrong word...I meant I aint a novice however I am not a sparky either hence teh confusion and asking sparkys like you for your expert help..

societys_child

yup, connect the live wires into the separate terminal blocks and take it from there. Positives to the two switches connected to the positive live and the return wires from the switches connect to the light and fan respectively. Connect the 3 negatives and you're all done.

muckybutt

Think you could be barking up the wrong tree....

you have three cables that used to do 1 light fitting...ok

one cable will be the permanent live and neutral
one cable will be the switch wire for the light L & SWL

now you say you have two switches ? if the fan was wired from the light fitting it would require another wire from the switch to the ceiling rose.

Was this fan where another light used to be ? if so then the other wire in the ceiling rose is a loop feed ie it will be a permanent live and neutral to the next light which in this case could be the fan, depending which way around its been wired in the circuit...the fan could be before...get my point ?

sid1234_2

I have two switches meaning one is the single switch that controls the light in the room and the other 'switch' is the rotary one that controls the fan.

The fan is more central in the room and the ceiling rose if off centre so i'm assuming yes, the fan is where the old light used to be....Does this mean it's a loop fed so I need to wire it as per how I would if it was connecting off to another light(ignoring for now the fact it's going to a fan)?

muckybutt

sid1234 wrote: »

I have two switches meaning one is the single switch that controls the light in the room and the other 'switch' is the rotary one that controls the fan.

The fan is more central in the room and the ceiling rose if off centre so i'm assuming yes, the fan is where the old light used to be....Does this mean it's a loop fed so I need to wire it as per how I would if it was connecting off to another light(ignoring for now the fact it's going to a fan)?

It does sound like the other wire is a loop feed wire, so you should then have
the swl and n feed wire in
the swl and feed wire out
and a L and swL from the switch

So connect all the red wires together
then the two neutrals
and the one you have identified as the switch wire connect that to the live in the fitting

societys_child

What muckybutt says ^

Your last post made it clear, I had the impression you'd removed the fan and light and it was one unit but individually controlled - doh