Speed Awareness Course completed but now 'conditional offer of fixed penalty' letter?

Nearly_Old

Quentin wrote: »

You can get points put on a EU licence.

Apply for a counterpart (D9): http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_10030243.pdf

If you want to plead not guilty, or want any mitigation taking into account you could use a solicitor, but you don't have to use one.

I don't think that you can get points on an EU licence. Reciprocal agreements in respect of driving offences (e.g. points) have been talked about for years but there is still no agreement or, more importantly an EU Directive. The counterpart form in your link has these notes on the back:

As the holder of a licence issued by another EU member
state or one issued in Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway
(see note D), provided your licence remains valid, you can
drive in GB until age 70 or for three years after becoming
resident whichever is the longer period. Expired licences are
acceptable to exchange for a GB licence.

Note: As a result of a change in legislation from April 2009,
European Community (EC) or European Economic Area (EEA)
licence holders will no longer be required to possess a GB
counterpart to take advantage of the fixed penalty system.

What actually happens is the DVLA create a "ghost" licence and add the points to that licence then if / when the person applies for a UK licence it comes complete with points. But as a person can drive up to the age of 70 before having to apply the majority will never apply for a UK licence.

Flyboy152

Nearly_Old wrote: »

I don't think that you can get points on an EU licence. Reciprocal agreements in respect of driving offences (e.g. points) have been talked about for years but there is still no agreement or, more importantly an EU Directive. The counterpart form in your link has these notes on the back:

As the holder of a licence issued by another EU member
state or one issued in Iceland, Liechtenstein or Norway
(see note D), provided your licence remains valid, you can
drive in GB until age 70 or for three years after becoming
resident whichever is the longer period. Expired licences are
acceptable to exchange for a GB licence.

Note: As a result of a change in legislation from April 2009,
European Community (EC) or European Economic Area (EEA)
licence holders will no longer be required to possess a GB
counterpart to take advantage of the fixed penalty system.

What actually happens is the DVLA create a "ghost" licence and add the points to that licence then if / when the person applies for a UK licence it comes complete with points. But as a person can drive up to the age of 70 before having to apply the majority will never apply for a UK licence.

Once that person has reached the required twelve points, they lose that entitlement to drive on UK roads, no matter where they are from.

Stephen_Leak

Blackpool_Saver wrote: »

I have attended one of these courses and I found it enjoyable and informative <snip>

I'm glad that you did. However, and whilst they may avoid the fine & penalty points, I've noticed, when searching for insurance quotes each year, that more and more insurance firms are asking if you've got any points or have attended any SAC's.

dggar

Stephen_Leak wrote: »

I'm glad that you did. However, and whilst they may avoid the fine & penalty points, I've noticed, when searching for insurance quotes each year, that more and more insurance firms are asking if you've got any points or have attended any SAC's.

If someone has attended a SAC are they a greater risk or a lesser risk as far as an insurance company is concerned?

Quentin

dggar wrote: »

If someone has attended a SAC are they a greater risk or a lesser risk as far as an insurance company is concerned?

HAving 3 points on your licence makes little or no difference to premiums.

Stephen_Leak

Quentin wrote: »

HAving 3 points on your licence makes little or no difference to premiums.

For the time being, I fear. If they can't make a profit one way, they will find another.

Stephen_Leak

dggar wrote: »

If someone has attended a SAC are they a greater risk or a lesser risk as far as an insurance
company is concerned?

And which way will an insurance company be concerned?

The person has committed a motoring offence. Therefore, he will be more careful in future and be a lower risk, so should have a lower premium.

I think not.

Nearly_Old

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Once that person has reached the required twelve points, they lose that entitlement to drive on UK roads, no matter where they are from.

I agree they they would be liable for the normal 6 months totting up ban in the UK - and in Southern Ireland as there is a reciprocal agreement between the UK and Southern Ireland governents. But this would only happen if all the points appear on the same ghost driver record that DVLA maintain. What happens if someone gets 6 points in Year 1, changes addresses and gets a "new" licence in the EU country where they are registered, then gets 6 more points in Year 2? Would the DVLA be able to match the two ghost driver records? To be honest nobody appears to know the answer either on car forums or legal forums.

Quentin

Stephen_Leak wrote: »

For the time being, I fear. If they can't make a profit one way, they will find another.

If they don't make a profit they go to the wall don't they?

Which is bad news for the customer!

(It's not for the "time being" though, as previously 3 points meant a certain premium increase. These days 3 points on your licence isn't unusual!)

Bigbubu

hello back, i received the letter i read it, they say that if i plead guilty in wright i don't have to attend to court, so tomorow i will send the letter and i will plead guity.... but they ask me to send my driving licenses? it is normal ( don't judge me it is just a question. thank you)and how much they will keep it, or can i drive after i send it to them ??? and a paper courtpart but as eurpean we don't have....do you know whats next?? the most important is that they sent me the photos and and says like this ...primary evidance 77.04 secondary evidance 76.91. Thank