Greece...

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

There are no terms to accept. So it definately is moot!

The EU (or at least the German part of it!) has made it clear that there is no deal to be had or negotiated on at the moment. The deadline of the last deal and the terms therein have passed.

Any negotiations would need a new deal drawing up. Merkels or Wolfgang's earlier on (or both, can't remember exactly).

That deal could have new terms within it. Presumably I guess it depends on how difficult they want to be.

Was also talked about a couple of days ago when Junker suggested if they don't take the deal by the deadline, the deal will no longer be offered, therefore no point having a referendum on it.

All the fuss is now over the referendum, but in reality, there is no deal now. A new deal could have anything within it and were back to square one.

I've seen the letter where Tsipras has accepted the terms.

The other stuff is just politicians posturing - deadlines can be extended, talks can happen and the sun will still rise in the morning.

Tsipras is a pound lighter than he was this morning - a deal looks likely.

antrobus

purch wrote: »

The shape of the bananas they can sell.................................errrr not much else.

No, that's the European Commission.

The Council of Europe is the other one.:)

ruggedtoast

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/01/greek-debt-merkel-dismisses-tsipras-compromise-plan-referendum-bailout

Greek debt: Merkel dismisses Tsipras's last-ditch compromise plan

She is a piece of work. Utterly heartless, she will rub Greeks' faces in the dirt and make them beg on bended knee.

After Greece agreed to write down 50% of Germany's debts after the war. No good deed will go unpunished with this awful crew though.

Doubtless Lagarde will smell fresh blood soon and be along for the spit roast.

wotsthat

Now the referendum is still going ahead with a no vote being urged by Tsipras.

I think I'm going to stick to news at ten - my brain can't cope with 24 rolling news where every space needs to be filled with noise.

ruggedtoast

And the EU are saying that the referendum is illegal and that they won't make any decisions on negotiations until after it and that they won't negotiate at all.

Maybe they do need ever closer union after all, they dont appear to be able to agree on anything at the moment.

vivatifosi

wotsthat wrote: »

Now the referendum is still going ahead with a no vote being urged by Tsipras.

I think I'm going to stick to news at ten - my brain can't cope with 24 rolling news where every space needs to be filled with noise.

I'm not sure whether I'm watching rolling news or Wimbledon. It goes one way, then the other, then back again, then back again. I'm willing someone to score an ace now.

Mersey_2

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, I told you so, almost 2 hours ago.



Please keep up eh.

The Greek PM has just addressed the nation live and recommended a No vote again.

purch

vivatifosi wrote: »

I'm willing someone to score an ace now.

Is there a lot of grunting ?

Froggitt

wotsthat wrote: »

Now the referendum is still going ahead with a no vote being urged by Tsipras.

??? I thought he now accepted the proposals?

wotsthat

Froggitt wrote: »

??? I thought he now accepted the proposals?

He accepted the proposals in writing and then went on TV this afternoon and didn't. Makes no sense.

To summarise, Mr Tsipras has vowed to press ahead with a referendum, and will continue to support a 'No' vote. His has also rejected all calls from his creditors to turn this into a Yes/No vote about the euro and denounced as "blackmail" the attempt to shut down the country's banks.

Seems to be reacting to the constant sniping and minutiae coming from the creditors (particularly Germany) instead of taking the odd step back.

I think he's struggling to stay on top of events (many of which he's driving) and looks to have gone beyond his natural level of competence or that of the people advising him.