Kitchen quotes seem high

frankthetank1664

Mark 2 are not a supplier they are a distributer and originally supplied homeform when they decided it was more viable to outsource logistics and importation of there stock.

They do indeed supply several large other companies but the reason I decided to post this was if you do some research a huge percentage of the staff are now employed by Tesco bathrooms, which is also owned by Mark 2 distribution.

You can't tell me you don't smell a fish there?

Clearly you are a kitchen fitter more so than a business person meepster so ermm... completely wrong right back at you.

Lots of love x

Meepster

frankthetank1664 wrote: »

Mark 2 are not a supplier they are a distributer and originally supplied homeform when they decided it was more viable to outsource logistics and importation of there stock.

They do indeed supply several large other companies but the reason I decided to post this was if you do some research a huge percentage of the staff are now employed by Tesco bathrooms, which is also owned by Mark 2 distribution.

You can't tell me you don't smell a fish there?

Clearly you are a kitchen fitter more so than a business person meepster so ermm... completely wrong right back at you.

Lots of love x

Actually no, I'm not a fitter. I'm a designer, have been for years, and I can assure you I have a proficient knowledge of running a business, having run independent kitchen AND bathroom showrooms as well as running departments in much larger organisations. Before that I was in retail management and in one of my roles, I had a LOT of contact with Mark II, so I know how they operate.

Care to tell me what the difference is between a supplier and distributor in this respect? You seem to be confused yourself, which I have highlighted above. Mark II supply goods that they manufacture, to various other customers. They also distribute goods, that they buy in from other suppliers, to various other customers.

Tesco Bathrooms (and Kitchens) were in operation for a few years before HFG went bust. The reason there are a lot of ex-HFG people working for them? Because they saw an opportunity to increase their market share with the collapse of Dolphin and Moben, and they just happened to be salespeople out there looking for jobs. If you are well aware of how the kitchen and bathroom market works, you will know very well that both businesses are highly incestuous, therefore they will recruit from within if they can. So what if Mark II actually own Tescobathrooms? Mark II have never been affiliated with HFG (other than supplier/distributor) in any way, shape or form.

Me thinks you should stop being paranoid, stop spouting nonsense that you THINK may be true because it fits some mould, and concentrate on getting your fledgling website up and running properly..

Kitchennightmare_2

Meepster wrote: »

Sorry, was a bit busy yesterday, but here we go:

I don't have an exact list of what you need doing, but basing it on fitting 8 units, 2 lengths of worktop with one joint, renewing electrics for a oven, hob, hood and fridge freezer, adding new electrics and plumbing for a dishwasher, fitting those 5 appliances, venting cooker hood, fitting a sink and tap, laying 10 sqm of laminate flooring, removing 2 sqm of wall tiles, making wall sound and fixing 2 sqm of new tiles. Providing new electrical certificate for works done. No gas work included...

...we would be charging £1870.54.

If no electrical work was needed to be done (other than for the new dishwasher obviously) you could knock a couple of hundred off that price.

Hope that helps?

That's a lot of help, thanks.

And thanks again to everyone who has posted.

Kitchennightmare_2

kwaks wrote: »

What sort of corner unit are you using? These are anything up to 4 x the cost of a double unit, In a well designed budget kitchen a double unit (1000) can be used with a single 600 door. Also full size doors are cheaper than drawerline units, how many drawers do you really need?

As for fitting, your prices do seem high to, where I am fitting would be 700-1k,

Edit, are you changing the layout of the kitchen? Cause your carcases should be fine for years yet and you do a simple door change

We're not changing the shape as far as the base units go. We are removing five wall cabinets and replacing with shelving. And having two wall cabinets installed in other locations (there are two alcoves, so one is going in each).

I'd need to check the type of corner unit, as don't know off top of my head.

chippi_2

chippi wrote: »

Heres my take on the labour side of things, this is westcountry so adjust for London prices:j
Based on what you say and i work on my own.

day1: all base and wall units installed
day2: worktops on with mason mitre joints and all appliance cut outs
day3 doors on, pelmet and cornice fitted and handles on
day4 tile walls and lay underlay ready for floor
day5 grout tiles and fit laminate and appliances
day6 finish off fit plinth do a snag and adjust as required, have a cuppa while the cheques being written :beer: £900 give or take
Thats labour only and only intergrated appliances fitted, and i dont travel to London! cheers

I think I may have confused a few peeps on here, to clarify I have said £900 approx for whats listed above, of course if you want the kitchen out and a skip and a spark for a day and a gas man for the hob etc than add accordingly certainly £300 min to add, but the point of the above is to aid the op in the basic cost of fitting .

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As well as pricing up the kitchen I worked out a schedule of works to fit it. There is no gas but if there were, it would not extend the time as the gas boy could fix that whilst something else was going on.

Ripping out the old kitchen into a skip would take me about a day. I could probably do it in half a day if pushed.

Prepare flooring and walls and reposition any plumbing perhaps half a day. Wiring in new electrical points or moving extractors etc. another half a day, being generous.

Day 3, install kitchen. I'll give you a whole day for this one.

Day 4, tidy up, fix any paint issues. Obviously any plastering would need accommodating but you'd usually plan so there was none.

Allow one day for contingencies.

So there you have it, from old to new in a week, one man on the job.

Kitchennightmare_2

I have the breakdown for labour that we were quoted:


Fit kitchen units 2100
Fit shelves (inc install timber in walls) 450
Tiling 2m (inc adhesives & grout) 320
Fitting 10m laminate 400
Wire in & pipework for dishawasher 220
subtotal 3490
VAT 698
TOTAL 4188

I think I've now decided that we can get all the equipment we want from IKEA for less than £2k, so that's looking like the best way, with an independent kitchen fitter.

Alisha2008

IKEA units + independent fitter is always the cheapest option.

Meepster

Kitchennightmare wrote: »

I have the breakdown for labour that we were quoted:


Fit kitchen units 2100
Fit shelves (inc install timber in walls) 450
Tiling 2m (inc adhesives & grout) 320
Fitting 10m laminate 400
Wire in & pipework for dishawasher 220
subtotal 3490
VAT 698
TOTAL 4188

I think I've now decided that we can get all the equipment we want from IKEA for less than £2k, so that's looking like the best way, with an independent kitchen fitter.

HOW MUCH???

Over 4k for a kitchen install??? Are they having a laugh???

It should easily be half of that...

Kitchennightmare_2

Jackofalltradez wrote: »

To be honest the op sounds like a nightmare customer.... wants to buy everything, and scrutinize everything....

That's not fair at all.

I'd far rather have it all supplied* and would be happy paying a little over the odds for a good service. I'm really not into screwing people into the ground on price as I understand everyone is trying to make a living... but £4k for a fitting seemed high, and now people on here are saying £2k is more realistic.

I don't want to make the fitter's life a misery, but don't want to be ripped off either.


* We're supplying the dishwasher as we got a bargain through my sister who works for the manufacturer. I posted that we would be supplying the work surfaces and laminate simply because that's what the independent builder suggested we do. In the other quotes we had, the supplier was supplying those elements, and that's my preferred method, even if it costs a little more.