MSE News: Government shrugs off Lords benefits defeat

tifo

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

What they meant was the buy-to-let landlord buys the house with a mortgage.
A family move in and the rent is paid by housing benefit.
Eventually the buy-to-let landlord pays off his mortgage with the rent and he (not the family on benefits) owns a house paid for entirely by the tax payer.

If the rent is enough to pay the sum borrowed and interest then that is a possibility but for the landlord.

It's not the landlord's fault, they are running a business and have to charge a rent, which pays for many other things such as maintainance. The rent could be private or as benefit, that is up to the individual tenant.

Sezzler

if you cant afford to stay in the same region on the money you have move to an area you can afford !! it takes the total mickey that people can claim this much. Im sure many people dont claim this much, but no way should you be able to earn more that a minimum wage worker

tifo

Killmark wrote: »

Bigger families tend to have higher rates of worklessness

Children who grow up in workless households are more likely to be unemployed and thus perpetuate this cycle.

By your argument maybe we should restrict child benefit only to high rate tax payers to encourage them to have children.

Not really. It's up to individuals. If they want to work then they can, if not then they don't.

By your argument unemployed people (short or long term) shouldn't have children.

If only higher rate taxpayers had children then more likely they would have 1 or 2 (because they have less time for childcare), which will result in a decreasing workforce after so many years, which in turn means less revenue for the govt, and no decreasing of the national debt.

The govt would then have to entice immigrants to come here (just like after the war) and this in turn will bring out those against immigration.

Killmark

tifo wrote: »

Not really. It's up to individuals. If they want to work then they can, if not then they don't.

By your argument unemployed people (short or long term) shouldn't have children.

Your kidding right? If they want to work?

I never said people who are unemployed shouldn't have children, but people should be responsible enough to plan for the future and not expect the tax payer to pick up the tab.

Its different if you have kids and then become unemployed but I believe its morally wrong to plan to have more whilst living on welfare. If anything they should go back to the work place as soon as they are able to.

I don't want to have to help pay excessive welfare bills but I don't have a choice.

Of course accidents do happen, but we live in a age of easily accessible contraception so numerous children born to the unemployed should be the exception rather than the norm

Stillstruggling

Please don't shoot me ( i am not a politcal person nor a racist) but just a thought i had:
The other day i heard on the radio about all the benefits that are paid out to immigrants who have never paid a penny into our system could something not be done about this?

Killmark

Stillstruggling wrote: »

Please don't shoot me ( i am not a politcal person nor a racist) but just a thought i had:
The other day i heard on the radio about all the benefits that are paid out to immigrants who have never paid a penny into our system could something not be done about this?

Not a lot really, it would breach some human right I'm sure .

Tbh most migrants aren't a drain on society, the problem is how do you get asylum seekers and refuges to enter the workplace when they are given the right to remain.

The average time for an asylum case to be dealt with was about 12 years by which time it can be very hard for them to sell themselves to an employer, assuming that they have developed a good command of English and assimilated into society.

turkleton

Stillstruggling wrote: »

Please don't shoot me ( i am not a politcal person nor a racist) but just a thought i had:
The other day i heard on the radio about all the benefits that are paid out to immigrants who have never paid a penny into our system could something not be done about this?

The problem is that for every immigrant who is on benefits there are are probably at least two born and bred Brits who are on benefits having never paid anything into the system.

Killmark

turkleton wrote: »

The problem is that for every immigrant who is on benefits there are are probably at least two born and bred Brits who are on benefits having never paid anything into the system.

I'd say its considerably higher than this as you can tell from a national insurance number whether someone is likely to have been an immigrant.

LookingForNipsy

Stillstruggling wrote: »

Please don't shoot me ( i am not a politcal person nor a racist) but just a thought i had:
The other day i heard on the radio about all the benefits that are paid out to immigrants who have never paid a penny into our system could something not be done about this?

A recent report (maybe the same one) found that immigrants are actually less likely to claim benefits than UK nationals and most are legally entitled to claim - 2% of those claiming were doing so illegally which isn't good obviously but clearly there isn't the huge "benefits tourism" swindle going on that we've been led to believe by some.

Immigrants claiming benefits that haven't paid into the system doesn't need to be tackled any differently to UK nationals who do the same - all that's needed is a benefits system that minimises fraud, provides enough for people to be just shy of poverty and encourages people to work. As well as a labour market that provides close to full employment, secure jobs and a minimum income standard that eliminates the need for state top ups all without stifling business...I live in hope:j

tifo

Killmark wrote: »

Your kidding right? If they want to work?

No, i'm not kidding. Those that want to make something of themselves (if their parents are unemployed) have the choice to do so. There's nothing stopping them.

Of course, there are those that want to carry on what their parents do but that's a choice they make.