Cooled boiled water for formula

Teenie_D

Ravenlady wrote: »

Look bad things happen and what can make one baby ill is not a reason to snipe at other parents because they're way doesn't follow the new advice given out, salmonella is luckily very rare in babies and until parents encounter a reason to change their ways they wont.

If PP's babies are happy and healthy there should be no reason for them to change how they make bottles, everyone has their babies health at the top of their priorities and as long as bottles are sterilised correctly that's already cut the chances of getting ill.

Leaving water to cool before adding milk is very backwards info as salmonella can live in the powder and needs to be added to hot water.

:T:T totally agree with it all but have highlighted these bits as there are now a few threads on this forum sniping at parents about how they do things, what they use for teething pain, giving dummies, how to make up formula etc etc, I'm sick to the back teeth of it, most parents do the best for their child, no parent would intentionally put their baby in any sort of danger. I just wish people would stop being so aggressive when they don't agree with something and just accept that not everyone is going to do things their way. Right will get off my soap box now LOL!!:D

Oh and I do make up bottles when needed and cool them quicly, but my DS is only taking 3 bottles a day it is not a lot of hassle. I b/f for the first 5 months (will wait for the replies to say i should have done it longer ), so I wouldn't like to imagine what it must be like constantly having to make up bottles day in day out and getting them cooled while your baby is screaming.

meritaten

breastmilk and formula are two different things - made up formula shouldnt be kept more than twelve hours (when I used to use it).

Gillyx

Teenie_D wrote: »

:T:T totally agree with it all but have highlighted these bits as there are now a few threads on this forum sniping at parents about how they do things, what they use for teething pain, giving dummies, how to make up formula etc etc, I'm sick to the back teeth of it, most parents do the best for their child, no parent would intentionally put their baby in any sort of danger. I just wish people would stop being so aggressive when they don't agree with something and just accept that not everyone is going to do things their way. Right will get off my soap box now LOL!!:D

Oh and I do make up bottles when needed and cool them quicly, but my DS is only taking 3 bottles a day it is not a lot of hassle. I b/f for the first 5 months (will wait for the replies to say i should have done it longer ), so I wouldn't like to imagine what it must be like constantly having to make up bottles day in day out and getting them cooled while your baby is screaming.

Agree with this 100%

The bolded I agree even more so.

Ravenlady_2

I make up bottles as I need them purely because I'd have to remove the bottle of bubbly I have been saving in the fridge to fit them in.

I did however used to do the old way of making up a days worth in advance and throwing them to the back of the fridge until I had to get a new fridge.

daska

Ravenlady wrote: »

Look bad things happen and what can make one baby ill is not a reason to snipe at other parents because they're way doesn't follow the new advice given out, salmonella is luckily very rare in babies and until parents encounter a reason to change their ways they wont.

If PP's babies are happy and healthy there should be no reason for them to change how they make bottles, everyone has their babies health at the top of their priorities and as long as bottles are sterilised correctly that's already cut the chances of getting ill.

Leaving water to cool before adding milk is very backwards info as salmonella can live in the powder and needs to be added to hot water.

Yes, sorry, wasn't really meaning that to come over the way it did. But it's the same old argument again and again, "my kids haven't suffered from me doing <insert choice of risk> therefore it can't be a problem".

The full advice about temperature is:

Allow the boiled water to cool to no less than 70º C. This means in practice using water that has been left covered, for less than 30 minutes after boiling.

The 30 minutes is a handy guideline

Redouble

Ravenlady wrote: »

Its contradictory advice really as like the PP said the water needs to be fairly hot to kill any bacteria in the powder as once the tin is open its un-sterile.

The powder is unsterile even unopened. I may be wrong but I think the ready made cartons are sterile milk, but it has been a while since I used them so I may be remembering incorrectly xx

daska

Janepig wrote: »

Problem is, as my midwife told me a while back, that with all the pro breast feeding stuff that's going on, they (and health visitors) are really not "allowed" to give advice on the correct (current) procedures for bottle feeding, which imo is a dangerous turn of events because I certainly know many many parents who could do with some help when it comes to understanding how to be hygienic at the very least. Certainly they should encourage breast feeding all they can, but once someone has decided they are going to bottle feed then they should be given help and advice as needed.

Between having DD and DS the advice did change that you should make up each bottle fresh, but as I'd only had DD just over two years before and made up each day's bottles in a batch with no ill effects, I decided to carry on as I'd done before. Worked for me.

Jx

That is really worrying. I was lucky enough to be able to BF both my boys - which is a darn sight simpler than having to make up bottles, no sterilising, no waiting - but I was in a job where I could get a call telling me DS1 needed feeding, go over to MIL and do my duty and go back to work. But not everyone has that luxury or ability so it is hugely irresponsible for them not to provide appropriate advice.

daska

Redouble wrote: »

The powder is unsterile even unopened. I may be wrong but I think the ready made cartons are sterile milk, but it has been a while since I used them so I may be remembering incorrectly xx

That is what the doctors told us when my niece was ill, although rare, even sealed tins can't be assumed to be sterile - something to do with the way the powder is produced and packed. Whereas the cartons of ready to drink feed are sterile - but cost a huge amount more. I also heard similar from DS1's midwife who told me the hospital wouldn't allow them to use powder because of the risks, they had ready to drink bottles with single use sterile teats.

GarnetLady

meritaten wrote: »

its not ridiculous to make up feeds as you need them. whats wrong with that? I do take exception with making up and storing feeds - the formula does 'go off'! and many new mums think formula lasts for days when it doesnt.

Oooh you take exception?! Well, I'm so sorry for not feeding my daughter to your standards! I'm sure everyone reading will take your views on how we should be feeding our children into account. :rotfl:

Formula lasts for 24 hours once made up and should be discarded after this time. WHO regulations state that making bottles up fresh is the ideal, but also tell you to make them up as Apricot described earlier if that's not possible. Which is the way I've done feeds since my daughter was born (no I don't breastfeed, for reasons that are no-one else's buisness!).

WHO Guidelines

peachyprice

I do think the lack of info for others who choose to FF is a problem, especially regarding sterilising.

I've heard many mums nowadays saying they just use the dishwasher, which IMO just isn't good enough for young babies, fine once they're weaned though. Also, advise has always been very vague as to what to do with the bottles once they are sterilised. Some leave them on the side open, some dry them up, some close them up once cold. And do you rinse the milton off if you're cold sterilising?

When mine were babies I used a steam steriliser, made the bottles with freshly sterlised bottles using tongs and made up 12hrs worth in advance (as was the advice then) using just boiled water then put them straight in the fridge. Would I do the same now? I think I probably would.

Oh, and I had a front sleeper too (as someone esle brought it up) which interestingly is how they laid him in scbu. The others started off as side sleepers