scaffolding pole - neighbours away & we'd like to place a pole on their land

AdmiralX

bobthedambuilder wrote: »

The roof and tiling itself you can do from the top. Is it that you want access from the side to put on fascia and guttering? If so, can you do that before putting on the roof, from your own side (working between the roof trusses)?

If its an absolute necessity to have scaffold access to the roof area, how about support towers front and back on your land, and scaffold beams spanning longways (front to back) over the roof? Ladder beams can definitely span up to 6.1m for access and limited material loads (and I've seen some up to 8m long). If your span is going to be longer than this, how about a temporary tower halfway, through the roof trusses; you can make good the hole that that would leave in the final roof at the end of the work, from the top.

Good ideas, I can figure that out. Do you need surveyor for that or just an experienced builder?

Grimbal

bobthedambuilder wrote: »

Try looking at it another way. Imagine that your neighbours were home, and they said no when you asked them about the scaffolding pole on their land. What would you do? Fight them through the courts for access or come up with another way round it.

If I'm picturing this right, you are replacing a flat roof on an extension (garage) with a sloping roof (presumably sloping towards the neighbour's land, ending very close to the boundary).

The roof and tiling itself you can do from the top. Is it that you want access from the side to put on fascia and guttering? If so, can you do that before putting on the roof, from your own side (working between the roof trusses)?

If its an absolute necessity to have scaffold access to the roof area, how about support towers front and back on your land, and scaffold beams spanning longways (front to back) over the roof? Ladder beams can definitely span up to 6.1m for access and limited material loads (and I've seen some up to 8m long). If your span is going to be longer than this, how about a temporary tower halfway, through the roof trusses; you can make good the hole that that would leave in the final roof at the end of the work, from the top.

very good points there - will definitely mention all of this to the builder.

(Just to clarify, the two houses are detached, with our garage sitting between them. we are putting in a roof that is up & over from front to back, so that the roof is "lateral" to next door - with the apex of the roof halfway down the depth of their house. No guttering will be placed on this, as the flat sides of the roof are to the rear & front of the garage.)

bobthedambuilder

AdmiralX wrote: »

Good ideas, I can figure that out. Do you need surveyor for that or just an experienced builder?

If you mean to work out how to set up the spanning scaffold, an experienced builder would probably talk to a scaffold company to hire the beams, and they could provide all the calcs / design.

An experienced builder would also have some ideas about how to work "through" the roof instead of accessing it from the side. It's not exactly easy, but it's not impossible. The guys would be standing on a platform inside the garage, leaning out between the roof trusses, and placing the fascia / gutter overhand, before the roof structure (felt or membrane, battens, tiles) is placed while standing on the trusses.

bobthedambuilder

Grimbal wrote: »

very good points there - will definitely mention all of this to the builder.

(Just to clarify, the two houses are detached, with our garage sitting between them. we are putting in a roof that is up & over from front to back, so that the roof is "lateral" to next door - with the apex of the roof halfway down the depth of their house. No guttering will be placed on this, as the flat sides of the roof are to the rear & front of the garage.)

OK just seen this post, the roof is the other way to what I envisaged. So why do you need access from the side? If it's to build the gable end wall up (brickwork or blockwork / render), that's a bit more problematical, but there's still probably a scaffold solution, cantilevering out from inside the extension, then spanning with ladder beam(s).

AdmiralX

Do I understand that the neighbour sees the gable end and its 2 barges? There are no hips? Just drop front and one at the back and ridge in the middle? Whereas on your garden back and front you see the fascias and sofits?

Grimbal

AdmiralX wrote: »

Do I understand that the neighbour sees the gable end and its 2 barges? There are no hips? Just drop front and one at the back and ridge in the middle? Whereas on your garden back and front you see the fascias and sofits?

Not entirely sure of terminology, but if the gable is the triangular bit between the two sloping roofs, then yes, that is what the neighbour will see. From the front, the roof will slope upwards to the apex around the middle of the length of the garage, then slope back towards the back garden.

I don't think it'll be hipped - just a straight gable roof. Up & over as it were

Grimbal

bobthedambuilder wrote: »

OK just seen this post, the roof is the other way to what I envisaged. So why do you need access from the side? If it's to build the gable end wall up (brickwork or blockwork / render), that's a bit more problematical, but there's still probably a scaffold solution, cantilevering out from inside the extension, then spanning with ladder beam(s).

yup, so gable wall needs to be built up. We'll probably have to cantilever it out & hope that they don't object.

As an aside, these neighbours have been quite "difficult" all through this build. he swears blind that the boundary line is offset so that the line either runs through our garage or doglegs around it. I've tried explaining to him that builders just do not tend to build permanent structures deliberately over a boundary line, but he just won't have it.

This is partly why I'm so concerned about the scaffolding - he has some funny ideas where the boundary line falls as it is, and we really don't want to exacerbate this situation

Hitch

Well, youve tried, they havn't said no.....Just put the pole up on a spreader board and get it gone asap. If the grass is a bit flat, chuck some leaves over it. Sorted

Get a bottle of something in, if they come back while its still there, rush round with the bottle. If not, use it to celebrate that you got away with it.

Grimbal

would love to just get on with it, but:
1. the neighbour opposite who they're friendly with probably has been taking photos
2. they have funny ideas about boundary lines as it is & are adamant that our shared boundary doglegs around the side wall of our garage :eek:

bobthedambuilder

Hitch wrote: »

Well, youve tried, they havn't said no.....Just put the pole up on a spreader board and get it gone asap. If the grass is a bit flat, chuck some leaves over it. Sorted

Get a bottle of something in, if they come back while its still there, rush round with the bottle. If not, use it to celebrate that you got away with it.

Trespass isn't OK just because the owners of the land are not available and therefore haven't given or refused access. I would not listen to posters like this. Frankly, if you've already had a difference of opinion with your neighbours about the boundary, the chances of them giving you permission to use their land to build over or close to it are small. Even if they're not there, you've already said that other neighbours are nosey and would know, record and report back.

grimbal wrote:

yup, so gable wall needs to be built up. We'll probably have to cantilever it out & hope that they don't object.

Just a suggestion ... can you build up the gable end with a framed and clad wall? What I mean is that the triangular structure above the existing side wall of the garage can be framed out of timber, with a boarded outside cladding. This can either be built insitu from your side of the wall, or even prefabricated and lifted into position.. That would mean no access is necessary from the neighbour's side.