Odd jobs for a living!!

jetplane

This reply is for Maz

Have you actually read SBOG's posts on this thread? If you read back, I think you'll find that he's covered in all the areas that I've highlighted and seem to concern you.

Yes thank you I did read SMOG's posts before I posted. I am not concerned, I said I understand him. SMOG doesn't need to justify himself to anyone but everyone is entitled to post their opinion. However since you feel the need to defend him I disagree with you I don't think he is covered as you say.

Maz - This is what I read, feel free to quote the legit parts as I can't find them.

I would like to help but I'm not going to contact anyone from here as I want to remain anonymous. As you can see on this thread already people are talking about declaring earnings etc

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What about when you take away the cost of a waste carriers licence (I assume you have this) , public liability insurance (and this) , use of a phone, van maintenance, fuel etc etc.

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Oh don't get any knickers in a twist , I too am self employed had you read the whole thread. I submit a self certification form every year fro any thing I have receipts for. I pay aan NI stamp too.

I don't suppose you get many receipts for skip diving, knocking down walls, gathering scrap, charging a tenner etc.

Oh and another thing this *trade licensing* you are wittering about - waste carrying , well I don't have *waste* i recycle everything, if I can't I take it to the tip as a private individual but thats very rarely and I don't use a van. Or I ask if I can put in someones skip , or perhaps if it;s a big job we have a skip.
Sorted.

You need a waste certificate for anyones else's rubbish, taking it to recycle or pretending it's your own is not an excuse.

Should_be_out_gardening

I hope people realise that the £150+ waste carriers licence was supposedly designed to control illegal waste tipping. All those horrid cowboys were meant to be put off by this and stop tipping. Instead they they just carried on tipping in nearby country lanes. It's just a money earner for councils .

But all that aside - it'd be best for anyone who is concerned about the pittance and pittance it is, rarely above minimum wage, to take a look at my first post. There I described how I'd worn a board advertising a kebab and pizza take away, who else worrying about how much tax I pay (given that you are allowed a fair bit before tax is paid) would be prepared to do that? It's OK on a good wage to say I am somehow ripping everyone off by not paying this or that. I pay everything I am meant to.

Oh that I haven't a receipt for some broken furniture taken from a skip with permission , oh that I haven't a bit of paper. God forbid I should need this to burn in my stove because I can't afford to put the heating on, my wife works full time as a care worker wiping bottoms for the minimum wage.

God forbid that anyone worried by what I do is reduced to what I do.

mennie

I salute you SBOG!!!!

jetplane

I hate it when people refer to carers as bottom wipers, there is so much more to caring than that. See how easy it is to offend someone ?

But I think you were making a point, just as I was, but when taken out of context it becomes offensive.

My post referred to handymen / oddjob men struggling when they are undercut by people working cash in hand, if the cap fits wear it.

I also said I understood your motive and initiative.

I do not care whether you keep books, buy insurance or licences and on those earnings you should never be liable for tax or NI.

dawyldthing

i know when i volunteer at festivals you can get 10p back from their promotional cups. Most people stick their noses up, some people are quite rude about it but over a weekend you can make your ticket back (or make it in pure profit in my case cos i volunteer at the festivals as a steward) so it is worth it as its money at the end of the day

dawyldthing

at the end of the day i can't blame him doing it, he's doing it to keep his head above water.

Some of the prices workmen charge are rediculous, expecting to charge upto 200 quid a day labour for some trades. Realistically who earns 200 quid a day in their jobs (before tax and ni, so around 160 after stoppages) but still not many earn that amount and they do similar training times to what many other professions do.

Should_be_out_gardening

jetplane wrote: »

I hate it when people refer to carers as bottom wipers, there is so much more to caring than that. See how easy it is to offend someone ?

But I think you were making a point, just as I was, but when taken out of context it becomes offensive.

My post referred to handymen / oddjob men struggling when they are undercut by people working cash in hand, if the cap fits wear it.

I also said I understood your motive and initiative.

I do not care whether you keep books, buy insurance or licences and on those earnings you should never be liable for tax or NI.

Who is offended?? you? I am speaking the truth , my wife works long hours for minimum wage and has done for years, She often has one to one care for elderly residents with double incontinence. Thats not all she does but it's a vast part , intimate one to one care, I couldn't do it. After a day doing that to come home to find I have been able to only get £20 that day is a hard thing to take.

And that £20 will be doing my very very best to duck and dive and get the best I can - then here is you whining that I'm not paying tax even though I don't earn enough even with every penny accounted for, or that I'm putting someone out of business even if no one is interested in pulling old furniture out of garages and doing it up to sell, whining about licences and fees and such like even after it's all been explained.

I found half a pallet on the road when I walked the dog at 7am so I dragged it home and chopped it up for fire wood. Phone the Council!

Should_be_out_gardening

dawyldthing wrote: »

i know when i volunteer at festivals you can get 10p back from their promotional cups. Most people stick their noses up, some people are quite rude about it but over a weekend you can make your ticket back (or make it in pure profit in my case cos i volunteer at the festivals as a steward) so it is worth it as its money at the end of the day

It's all good , always keep your eyes open, I collect beer cans when out and about , they aren't worth much but they do mound up. Plus again it's a way of meeting people who might give me work and I have done that , I was scrabbling around getting to some cans once and a bloke popped his head over the fence and we got to talking. You've always to keep your eyes open.

Should_be_out_gardening

dawyldthing wrote: »

at the end of the day i can't blame him doing it, he's doing it to keep his head above water.

Some of the prices workmen charge are rediculous, expecting to charge upto 200 quid a day labour for some trades. Realistically who earns 200 quid a day in their jobs (before tax and ni, so around 160 after stoppages) but still not many earn that amount and they do similar training times to what many other professions do.

Well to be fair many have all the overheads - I do work for builders and roofers if they need extra pair of hands. I met these through asking for stuff from skips or just going up to them . Often they don't have the time to say dig a trench for a big garden wall and I will do it. When I do these few day things I often get to talking with people and find other stuff - like I did a base for a conservatory and later I tidied their garden and trimmed a tree. The thing is many of the people would never have gone to a legit company and fall prey to door to door cowboys in hi viz jackets.

Don't under estimate how businesses will try to save money - a local car dealer will do all his own sweeping and tidying of his yard or he'll try to get the part timers who wash his cars to do it. Often if he has no one or is too busy I will trim the over hanging bushes and clean up his yard scraping up the weeds in the edges and sweeping. In the one place a carpet place was next door and I asked the chap if he wanted the mess in his yard tided , he didn't the first time but a following time he'd made one bod redundant and they had no one spare.

Now this was good as I got a lot of salvage , pallets of course but also wooden blocks, those big tubes in the carpets are useful , plus many aluminium strips too.

It's snowy here at the moment , I was hoping to be called by a roofer who hoped to start a job this week, he might have three days of work plus I can have the old wood which I really need at the moment. We'll have to see.

jetplane

SMOG you must be confusing me with someone else. I haven't whined about you not paying taxes, I haven't implied that I would shop you, I have made a valid point. End of.