Manager forged my signature on new working hours contract?!

*Kat*

Pretty easily, they make us sign a newsletter form every week. And I'm not happy with the shifts, I don't want it permanently. I'm only doing it until they get someone in!

SarEl

Your manager has allegedly forged your signature - but it isn't a case of what do you do, it is a case of what do you want to do? You have spent a lot of thime on this board in the past complaining about this manager, I seem to recall you have submitted formal grievances against the manager previously ... and it would appear that nothing has happened as a result.

If you aren't happy with the change then you write to your personnel officer and tell them that you did not agree to a contractual change and it is not your signature on the contract. If you wish to submit a grievance on this then do so - but I would be wary of making allegations about who forged your signature unless you are a handwriting expert in your spare time. It is up to the employer to investigate the matter and make their own determination of the facts. I wouldn't suggest that you attempt to do that for them. All they need to know from you is that it is not your signature.

diable

Isn't forgery a criminal offence?

*Kat*

Actually, this manager is my department's manager, not the other one who I've complained about before. He's backed off tremendously, they disciplined him after there were 3 complaints made at the same time, so the senior management did a "multi" investigation, where all 3 complaints were handled externally. Woo!!

IDK, I just think it's wrong to do that

SarEl

That wouldn't change my advice though - if it isn't your signature then say so, but stay out of making allegations about whose writing it is. That's up to the employer to determine, if they wish to do so.

SarEl

diable wrote: »

Isn't forgery a criminal offence?

Only if there is an intention to defraud. It would be difficult to imagine in what way forging a signature on a contract for extra hours is an intention to defraud.

missbishi

SarEl wrote: »

Only if there is an intention to defraud. It would be difficult to imagine in what way forging a signature on a contract for extra hours is an intention to defraud.

Any instance where a signature is forged is fraudulent. OP has been defrauded in this supposed commitment to new working hours. OP, take steps to get this sorted out ASAP before it comes back to bite you on the bum. Plus, the signature forger has committed an offence and should not be allowed to do this to anybody else. Imagine if this had happened to, say, a single mum or a carer who could only work restricted hours.

Ask yourself what you would do if someone else had forged your signature on another document, be it a mortgage application or a declaration of support for the BNP. Your superior at work is NOT untouchable and I'm glad that you are in the Union, they will certainly be able to help you with this. Best of luck.

wild666

SarEl wrote: »

Only if there is an intention to defraud. It would be difficult to imagine in what way forging a signature on a contract for extra hours is an intention to defraud.

By saying someone has agreed to the terms the person who signed the form could be constructing a way of getting this person the sack (Constructive dismissal) so possibly a way of defrauding the person out of money, their wages.

SarEl

missbishi wrote: »

Any instance where a signature is forged is fraudulent. OP has been defrauded in this supposed commitment to new working hours. OP, take steps to get this sorted out ASAP before it comes back to bite you on the bum. Plus, the signature forger has committed an offence and should not be allowed to do this to anybody else. Imagine if this had happened to, say, a single mum or a carer who could only work restricted hours.

Ask yourself what you would do if someone else had forged your signature on another document, be it a mortgage application or a declaration of support for the BNP. Your superior at work is NOT untouchable and I'm glad that you are in the Union, they will certainly be able to help you with this. Best of luck.

wild666 wrote: »

By saying someone has agreed to the terms the person who signed the form could be constructing a way of getting this person the sack (Constructive dismissal) so possibly a way of defrauding the person out of money, their wages.

Not according to the law. There is a vast difference between forgery in law and what has allegedly happened here. There is no intent to defraud. You are basing your "legal advice" on musings about what might happen, none of which constututes an intention to defraud. If an indivudual lost their jon as a result, it is not an intention to defraud - it is a personal injury. A titally different area of law. Nor is a constructive dismissal - it may be an unfair dismissal, and also a totally different area of law. And neither are criminal law.

There is a difference between something that is wrong and something that is illegal. The alleged wrongdoing here is not a crominal offence and is not illegal.

maninthestreet

Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981
The offence of forgery:
A person is guilty of forgery if he makes a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person’s prejudice.