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Falkland Islands under threat once more - huge oil reserves in peril
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If Argentina has internal problems, then they should deal with them internally instead of grandstanding.
In the meanwhile:
1. The Falklands were British before Argentina existed as a country, therefore they have no claim.
2. We don't need an aircraft carrier - we have a land-based air capability.
3. In order to occupy the islands, the Argentinians would need to use ships to transport troops there, but they know we could and would sink them before they got near.
4. The Argentinians don't really want the Falklands, because they simply scattered mines all over they place in their previous occupation.
5. The Argentinians (and the other South American countries) have signed up to the right of self-determination, and the multi-generation inhabitants of the Falklands have clearly stated that they are and with to remain British.
I've no idea why the other democratic countries in South America have joined in with Argentina, but they have no legal basis for their actions. I am especially disappointed with Uruguay, who have a long history of neutrality (indeed the country was created to be a neutral buffer state between Brazil and Argentina).0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »And with a EUSSR hat on who supplied those nice sea skimming exocets?
The infighting between the Navy and RAF heirarchy over how their respective squadrons were used/deployed also caused the aircrew significant problems. Again it was the steely determination of those same aircrew that kept the air cover in place as usual, the ones whose lives depended on it often flying with malfunctioning equipment.
France, but before you start crowing about that let me remind you that half their navy was bought from the UK.0 -
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vivatifosi wrote: »I'm better at geography than knowing anything about the military, but in such circumstances would it be possible to use one of the other British territories down that way, such as St Helena or Ascension, or South Georgia as a base and shuttle in? I know that these places are still a long way from the Falklands and afaik don't all have airports, but they are a lot closer than the UK.
That is what we did last time. Also consider that their trops on the falklands were even more poorly supplied as we had sucessfully blockaded the Islands.
However it is, as said before, mostly irrelevant. Any future campaign is about not losing the islands in the 1st place by:
a. Noticing the Argentines have spent 5+ years building up an invasion cabability
b. They are moving all their aircraft down to the only airfields in range 7
c. Using that warning to fly down enough troops & combat aircraft to deny them the ~5:1 superiority needed to defeat a prepared defender0 -
Devon_Sailor wrote: »Andy,
OCEAN wasn't designed for, and isn't equipped to carry out the role of a command and control unit....ALBION/BULWARK have significantly greater comms/C&C facilities. Despite carrying out the role in the second half of the Libya ops, it was a hell of a squeeze and hardly ideal! ALBN/BWRK are much better suited to an embarked Flag staff's needs.....
T45s actually HAVE been designed with enough compartment and communications redundancy to enable them to act as a C&C/HQ platform, i believe, with a particular view to possibly being activated as such in any Falklands conflict, where anti-air warfare will be key.
Regards,
D_S
Ocean was built to have C&C facilities. I'm not arguing that the other two have better capabilities but Ocean was designed to be the core ship of an amphibious task force. I'm glad you pointed out that it was the flagship in the Med recently though because it appears that some people think the navy only have one flagship and that an admiral can't transfer his flag to whatever craft is available and most suited to the job at that time.0 -
This was my understanding too. The logistics of fighting a war miles from home with no support base became problematic with the loss of the merchant ship Atlantic Conveyor. IIRC this was played down but it later came out supplies were very short and any any prolonged conflict would have left our troops with nothing left but to throw rocks.
Yes it's a pity that really. The UK didn't have one single ship available to send to the Falklands with food and ammo. :cool:0 -
However it is, as said before, mostly irrelevant. Any future campaign is about not losing the islands in the 1st place by:
a. Noticing the Argentines have spent 5+ years building up an invasion cabability
b. They are moving all their aircraft down to the only airfields in range 7
c. Using that warning to fly down enough troops & combat aircraft to deny them the ~5:1 superiority needed to defeat a prepared defender
My recolection was that we had that knowledge last time but that it wasn't taken seriously then either.
I do agree that Argentian is in a different place as are we.
"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
France, but before you start crowing about that let me remind you that half their navy was bought from the UK.
Don't dispute we sold secondhand rust buckets to them, but not state of the art missile systems with a likley target in mind.
My real point was that what usually gets all our forces through is the indoctrinated training and getting themselves out of the carp time ofter time, despite "enthusiastic" leadership."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
vivatifosi wrote: »I'm better at geography than knowing anything about the military, but in such circumstances would it be possible to use one of the other British territories down that way, such as St Helena or Ascension, or South Georgia as a base and shuttle in? I know that these places are still a long way from the Falklands and afaik don't all have airports, but they are a lot closer than the UK.
Ascension is the only real forwrd base but that is only about half way there. South Georgia is father away than the Falklands.
The distances are massive. Whilst the Vulcan Bombing raid on the Falklands was largely political/symbolic for the RAF, it took something like 5+? tanker aircraft (think Boeing 737 equivelant) to get just one (out of three) Vulcans there and back.They were all running on vapours when they touched down I believe after nearly a day in the air.."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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