I thought bad references were illegal?!

Emmzi

I'm assuming this is all academic for JS as he doesn't work. So a bit of arguing the toss to break up the day with no actual real life ramifications for his actions.

I'll trust the qualified lawyers etc ta!

laganuk

I wasn't aware of his job status.
In no way was i suggesting you rely on my words alone or in part and you must and are right right to see a trained professional if you are in distress; that is what practising lawyers are there for.

Emmzi

lagan, and it is also totally valid to have opinions if not working. there's just a bit of history with this poster arguing for the hell of it.

Torry_Quine

JonathanStewart wrote: »

that borders on opinion anyway IMO

If someone is meant to start at a certain time and is often after that time how is that an opinion? It needs to be documented otherwise how would it be proved.

JonathanStewart

Torry_Quine wrote: »

If someone is meant to start at a certain time and is often after that time how is that an opinion? It needs to be documented otherwise how would it be proved.

so if its written down its proof that it occurred?

ok then....

Torry_Quine

JonathanStewart wrote: »

so if its written down its proof that it occurred?

ok then....

Now you're just being silly. Someone's personnel records are a legal document, you can't just right anything down. for instance the person will have this brought to their attention and may well have to agree to certain conditions.

JonathanStewart

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Now you're just being silly. Someone's personnel records are a legal document, you can't just right anything down. for instance the person will have this brought to their attention and may well have to agree to certain conditions.

Well I would assume that the person in question would have to be written to and told that it was gong to stay on their file?

if not then the whole thing is a farce as you can have an issue that is dealt with informally and forgotten about and then brought up once you have left.

tomjonesrules

JonathanStewart wrote: »

Well I would assume that the person in question would have to be written to and told that it was gong to stay on their file?

if not then the whole thing is a farce as you can have an issue that is dealt with informally and forgotten about and then brought up once you have left.

No, there is no obligation on an employer to advise that a factual record of timekeeping was to be kept on record. I doubt very much that persistent tardiness would be dealt with informally and forgotten about.

LadyMissA

Torry_Quine wrote: »

If someone is meant to start at a certain time and is often after that time how is that an opinion? It needs to be documented otherwise how would it be proved.

At my last job the reception took a note of the time when you came in and then IT got a time off the 'system' when you logged into the PC and if the times were more than 3 mins then you had to explain where you were etc. Also these times were used for your apraisal and could be disputed if you had kept a log too as they made up a scoring % on the KPI each qtr.

JonathanStewart

tomjonesrules wrote: »

No, there is no obligation on an employer to advise that a factual record of timekeeping was to be kept on record. I doubt very much that persistent tardiness would be dealt with informally and forgotten about.

And what if it was one specific incident where an individual had a dispute with another person and was dealt with informally i.e. no investigation or hearing. Would it be OK to put it on file even if it was understood that the matter would go no further?