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LadyMissA

imatt wrote: »

I largely agree with you. Perhaps what I should have said was the results from the WP will not be PUBLISHED until Spring 2012. OK, it's still early-ish days for the WP. However, they should know ar least roughly how many have found sustainable jobs due to the WP and how many have not. Again, expect a major spin operation where black is white, up is down, left is right and north is south!

the woman I saw when I was there last told me the success rate of the New Deal with them (this provider) wasn't very good yet they have been doing this kind of thing for 20 years!

dandelionclock30

Well its a right load of rubbish, it really is, dressed up as legitimate but having all the worst elements of capitalism.
Probably about 3 people in the whole country will get a proper job from it.They will say though that 2 million other people have become more work ready or some other nonsence.
What I wonder is, if and when the job situation will improve? I've never known its as bad as this and Im in my 40s. I think the labour market/economic infrastructure as a whole has really changed over the last 20 years or so and that maybe this is the way it will stay. Im hoping things will get better but I dont think they will anytime soon.
I think its totally unacceptable to have nearly 3 million unemployed adults plus 10 million economically inactive adults in this country. What I think would be a better idea would be paying all the unemployed a minimum wage at least and they have to do community work to help the vulnerable.Shopping for the elderly,lunch clubs, painting community centres etc.

mattw7

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

Well its a right load of rubbish, it really is, dressed up as legitimate but having all the worst elements of capitalism.
Probably about 3 people in the whole country will get a proper job from it.They will say though that 2 million other people have become more work ready or some other nonsence.
What I wonder is, if and when the job situation will improve? I've never known its as bad as this and Im in my 40s. I think the labour market/economic infrastructure as a whole has really changed over the last 20 years or so and that maybe this is the way it will stay. Im hoping things will get better but I dont think they will anytime soon.
I think its totally unacceptable to have nearly 3 million unemployed adults plus 10 million economically inactive adults in this country. What I think would be a better idea would be paying all the unemployed a minimum wage at least and they have to do community work to help the vulnerable.Shopping for the elderly,lunch clubs, painting community centres etc.

Great in theory but who exactly is going to pay this!

The problem the govt face is they are cutting jobs in the public sector and so far we haven't seen the worst of that yet! The unemployment figure will top 3M very soon and the private sector just doesn't have the resources to take on that many people.

For too long previous governments have kept throwing money to keep unemployment down but it was never in any way to keep the economy running at anything other than a loss, hence why the debt has kept going up and up. Now there has to be a reduction in that debt so we are seeing a more realistic reflection of what our labour market and economy really is.

I genuinely believe that this current situation is here to stay indefinitely. Its quite possible that we'll never see a proper recovery, I think unemployment will peak at 4.5m and will fall back to about 3.5m and that is where it will stay. The country is over populated, that is the main problem, you cannot sustain a population of nearly 70m on such a small island without a large chunk of those being inactive in the labour market.

Reduce the population and we may have a chance at recovery, until then things will just get worse.

red_devil

ive signed the petition. I think the gvt will always come up with something though.

lori64

I joined the wp in june when it first started....I have only been asked to see an advisor 6 times over that period! Its a total joke.
My last visit was on 21st November...advisor said he would contact me by phone on 5th December....Im still waiting.
I had already made arrangements with a volunteer organisation before the wp even began, I also applied to college, and got accepted to start September 2012. Also applied to do a counselling nightclass for February2012, got accepted for that to....advisor knows all this and to be honest, I dont think he has a clue what to do with me as i have been more than capable of sorting my own future out. Im 47yrs old, and doubt if any employer would be interested in employing me, so I decided to go to college to escape the stress of the dole/wp.
I doubt I am worth anything financially to my advisor....so I have been "parked" as I suspect many off us have or others will be in the future!

out_of_cash

LadyMissA wrote: »

IMO the WP is a waste of time. Started it in July - went to two seperate appointments to have the assesment then booked in a month later to go over the 'homework' set which was things that I was already doing. Went back for this appointment which had been cancelled with no prior notice so didn't see anyone that day. Was trasferered to another office where the old office said it was easier to get to. Waited 8 days for the new office to call me and then they transfered me back to the old office. Told me to wait for them to call me and I waited 12 weeks!! Had a call 2 weeks ago to attend in January and when I do it will be 1 week short of 5 mths since I have seen someone.

When they called me 2 weeks ago they have the bare faced cheek to acuse me of not attending but I told them I had been doing nothing more or nothing less than what I was told by one of their advisers on email so I asked what appointments have I missed. There was some rustling of papers then the reply 'erm none'!!

So far as I have not seen an adviser I have no idea what they think they can do for me or anyone else come to think of it and I know it will fail. They can not make a company interview you, they can not make them take you on either.

In the two meetings I have attended I have been there for a total of two hours!!

Oh yes an in the 2 meetings I have attend and the intoduction they made NO mention of working for free or work trials or anything else everyone else keeps going on about.

The Govenment would have done better to give Employers an incentive to take on unemployed people like a payment instead of throwing £££ at these 'providers'!

They actually did try this and it failed,they just wont or cant accept its economics of a nasty kind at wont be getting better anytime soon IMHO.

out_of_cash

lori64 wrote: »

I joined the wp in june when it first started....I have only been asked to see an advisor 6 times over that period! Its a total joke.
My last visit was on 21st November...advisor said he would contact me by phone on 5th December....Im still waiting.
I had already made arrangements with a volunteer organisation before the wp even began, I also applied to college, and got accepted to start September 2012. Also applied to do a counselling nightclass for February2012, got accepted for that to....advisor knows all this and to be honest, I dont think he has a clue what to do with me as i have been more than capable of sorting my own future out. Im 47yrs old, and doubt if any employer would be interested in employing me, so I decided to go to college to escape the stress of the dole/wp.
I doubt I am worth anything financially to my advisor....so I have been "parked" as I suspect many off us have or others will be in the future!

Totally with you, i am 50 and have the same problem although my lot seem to be banging on about just get into any job etc,its just the cost of living etc which dosent seem to be adding up, a lot of these providers will definitely go bust as the dole ques get bigger and they surely will,the demand will be too great and watch another goverment this time waste what could be 2.5 billion over 3 yrs.

out_of_cash

mattw7 wrote: »

Great in theory but who exactly is going to pay this!

The problem the govt face is they are cutting jobs in the public sector and so far we haven't seen the worst of that yet! The unemployment figure will top 3M very soon and the private sector just doesn't have the resources to take on that many people.

For too long previous governments have kept throwing money to keep unemployment down but it was never in any way to keep the economy running at anything other than a loss, hence why the debt has kept going up and up. Now there has to be a reduction in that debt so we are seeing a more realistic reflection of what our labour market and economy really is.

I genuinely believe that this current situation is here to stay indefinitely. Its quite possible that we'll never see a proper recovery, I think unemployment will peak at 4.5m and will fall back to about 3.5m and that is where it will stay. The country is over populated, that is the main problem, you cannot sustain a population of nearly 70m on such a small island without a large chunk of those being inactive in the labour market.

Reduce the population and we may have a chance at recovery, until then things will just get worse.

You are totally right of course,we are vastly over populated ,its a basic maths thing which duncan smith clegg and co cant get their heads around,the whole lot of them are to blame for this as they can see now what they have helped creat a low wage economy and with the workprogramme up and running a slave one.Just calculate what £67/38 or in most cases 40hrs works out to and see if thats an incentive to work.

Good luck to all who are currently forced to suffer this total crap.

lori64

out_of_cash wrote: »

Totally with you, i am 50 and have the same problem although my lot seem to be banging on about just get into any job etc,its just the cost of living etc which dosent seem to be adding up, a lot of these providers will definitely go bust as the dole ques get bigger and they surely will,the demand will be too great and watch another goverment this time waste what could be 2.5 billion over 3 yrs.

Its funny, but my lot are the opposite. My advisor seems happy for me to be looking into the social care side of things which im aiming towards with college/volunteering. He's probably thinking that if im off to college, then by the time he placed me in some job...I would be leaving anyway to go to college.....so no use to him.
The advisor I had before this one was pretty lax on all fronts...thought it was just her, but now I have a different one..and go figure, this one is just the same. So Im thinkin its the whole organisation thats flawed and they just dont know what to to with people as there are no jobs and too many people to place.

exprog

SarEl wrote: »

"Living room" anyone?

Yes please.