working christmas

Uncertain

zagfles wrote: »

So if the OP has similar T&C's I'd imagine ......

If........

But what reason is there to suppose the OP has similar terms?

The only bit that is certain (as SarEl says) is the right to 28 days per year.

Anything special about bank holidays is a purely contractual matter and not enshrined in law. A lot of people struggle to grasp this!

zagfles

SarEl wrote: »

I know - that is why I said "weekend". I was trying to make it simple!

There is no right to two days off if you work a rest day which also happens to be a bank holiday - that is just what happens where you work and that is an much more generous term than most people get.

Bank holidays are nothing special. The employer doesn't have to treat them as anything other than a normal day of the week.

But weekends are never bank holidays. So the situation won't apply to someone who works Mon-Fri.

I know bank holidays aren't special in law but they are in many peoples' T&Cs. Mine say I get bank holidays off by default, and if I work the bank holiday I get another day off instead. If I work shifts and a bank holiday falls on a rest day, then I get an alternative day instead (which is what the govt effectively does when 25 Dec falls on a weekend - it allocates another day as bank hol instead).

But if I then also work it, I get another day off as an alternative rest day. This isn't generous - it just makes sure everyone gets the same number of days off.

SarEl

I put the word weekend in inverted commas thus - "weekend" - to use it as an example of what a rest period is as opposed to a holiday. I did not mean Saturday and Sunday. It was an illustration. It doesn't actually matter whether your "weekend" is Saturday and Sunday or Wednesday and Thurday - or just Tuesday! It is a rest period and not annual leave.

zagfles

Uncertain wrote: »

If........

But what reason is there to suppose the OP has similar terms?

The only bit that is certain (as SarEl says) is the right to 28 days per year.

Anything special about bank holidays is a purely contractual matter and not enshrined in law. A lot of people struggle to grasp this!

The reason to suppose this is that the vast majority of employees get bank holidays off. You could consider them employer nominated leave days. If you work one you get a different "leave" day instead. If your rest day is on one you get an extra days "leave" instead as you don't use leave on your rest day. And if you work it you also get a different rest day instead.

It all works out to the same anyway - I think we're all saying the same thing in different ways

ska_lover

Wow, I bet the OP feels so much better, after coming on here feeling frustrated at being made to work over Christmas (and not suprisingly so)..then being patronised and spoke to like a fool..

Oh my, some of you are nasty and bitter, aren't you? Urgh vile people

Sambucus_Nigra

zagfles wrote: »

The reason to suppose this is that the vast majority of employees get bank holidays off. You could consider them employer nominated leave days. If you work one you get a different "leave" day instead. If your rest day is on one you get an extra days "leave" instead as you don't use leave on your rest day. And if you work it you also get a different rest day instead.

It all works out to the same anyway - I think we're all saying the same thing in different ways

Essentially, they are working one of their 'weekend' days. The Bank Holiday is a red herring.

So either the OP needs to get a day TOIL or gets paid overtime. As I previously said. If the terms and conditions give additional benefits then all well and good, but the OP doesn't seem to know what the terms and conditions are in the first place.

Sambucus_Nigra

ska_lover wrote: »

Wow, I bet the OP feels so much better, after coming on here feeling frustrated at being made to work over Christmas (and not suprisingly so)..then being patronised and spoke to like a fool..

Oh my, some of you are nasty and bitter, aren't you? Urgh vile people

And your advice is?

We are just asking for the OP to clarify what the problem is, as they seem to be having difficulty in expressing their issue.

ska_lover

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

And your advice is?

We are just asking for the OP to clarify what the problem is, as they seem to be having difficulty in expressing their issue.

Oh I see. Do you tend to patronise people when you do not understand them - in real life? Or is that just something you save for your internet persona?

I will give you a lesson in people skills. It is acceptable to use the words 'I do not understand'.

scheming_gypsy

ska_lover wrote: »

Wow, I bet the OP feels so much better, after coming on here feeling frustrated at being made to work over Christmas (and not suprisingly so)..then being patronised and spoke to like a fool..

Oh my, some of you are nasty and bitter, aren't you? Urgh vile people

well they didn't help themselves, they started with giving no information at all and then when they did give the information they don't have a problem, except their day off gets moved.

zagfles

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Essentially, they are working one of their 'weekend' days. The Bank Holiday is a red herring.

So either the OP needs to get a day TOIL or gets paid overtime. As I previously said. If the terms and conditions give additional benefits then all well and good, but the OP doesn't seem to know what the terms and conditions are in the first place.

Whether the bank holiday is a red herring or not depends on the OPs T&Cs.

For instance if they say "you get 28 days leave" then it is.

But if (IME more commonly) it says eg "you get 20 days leave plus bank holidays", then as well as the OP getting an alternative rest day (ie "weekend") as you say above, he also needs to get an alternative leave day for the bank holiday.