Galloway: This is the death knell of the American Empire

FTBFun

StevieJ wrote: »

Then again who supplied those arms to enable Saddam to murder his own people? they are your real odious specimens.

You mean Russia, China, France, and Egypt (yes, Egypt sold more military equipment to Iraq than the US!). The UK's input was negligible compared to the others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990

Anyway - I don't see how that makes my opinion of Galloway invalid.

GlynD

Galloway's an erse wi a heid.

GlynD

FTBFun wrote: »

You mean Russia, China, France, and Egypt (yes, Egypt sold more military equipment to Iraq than the US!). The UK's input was negligible compared to the others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990

Anyway - I don't see how that makes my opinion of Galloway invalid.

That's because, as in Egypt, Russia drove a better bargain than the UK and the West in general. To see how much of a bargain he actually got you need to go and count how many of those warplanes, battle tanks, artillery pieces and missile systems are still in working order. After all, the Russians always said their kit was better than ours

ruggedtoast

GlynD wrote: »

That's because, as in Egypt, Russia drove a better bargain than the UK and the West in general. To see how much of a bargain he actually got you need to go and count how many of those warplanes, battle tanks, artillery pieces and missile systems are still in working order. After all, the Russians always said their kit was better than ours

Baghdad's Russian supplied air defences didn't perform too well did they.

GlynD

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Baghdad's Russian supplied air defences didn't perform too well did they.

Look up "ironic" and "sarcastic" in the dictionary to find the true meaning of my post. My regiment sliced through the Iraqi Republican Guard tank units like a hot knife through butter, it was a massacre. They were getting wiped out 1,000 yards before their guns could fire.

StevieJ

FTBFun wrote: »

You mean Russia, China, France, and Egypt (yes, Egypt sold more military equipment to Iraq than the US!). The UK's input was negligible compared to the others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990

Anyway - I don't see how that makes my opinion of Galloway invalid.

Battle of the Wiki's, to even contemplate that US support for Iraq was negliable would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic, guess who this is.




http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into" the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

StevieJ

GlynD wrote: »

That's because, as in Egypt, Russia drove a better bargain than the UK and the West in general. To see how much of a bargain he actually got you need to go and count how many of those warplanes, battle tanks, artillery pieces and missile systems are still in working order. After all, the Russians always said their kit was better than ours

A friend of mine was in the tanks that encountered the Republican guard in Basra (first time) he said that the servicing tools were still sealed and unopened in what I assume was the tank equivalent of the boot.

I guess you might know him, or even be him:)

FTBFun

StevieJ wrote: »

Battle of the Wiki's, to even contemplate that US support for Iraq was negliable would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic, guess who this is.




http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

The research was carried out by the "Stockholm International Peace Research Institute". I think its fair to say that's fairly neutral.

Hang on though - your first response was those "who supply arms to Saddam to murder his own people" but now its who provided general "support"?

I think you've done the usual thing of being caught out on one point and are now attempting to justify your inaccurate observation by changing the subject. I'd expect that of one particular poster but not you.

GlynD

StevieJ wrote: »

A friend of mine was in the tanks that encountered the Republican guard in Basra (first time) he said that the servicing tools were still sealed and unopened in what I assume was the tank equivalent of the boot.

I guess you might know him, or even be him:)

Sounds a bot improbable to tell the truth as the servicing tools would be scattered in a number of locations all around the catwalks and hull. There is no one container which you could compare to a "boot". No reason why your mate didn't find some unused tools though.

By now you'll have guessed it wasn't me. Was it anyone from QRIH at all?

StevieJ

FTBFun wrote: »

The research was carried out by the "Stockholm International Peace Research Institute". I think its fair to say that's fairly neutral.

Hang on though - your first response was those "who supply arms to Saddam to murder his own people" but now its who provided general "support"?

I think you've done the usual thing of being caught out on one point and are now attempting to justify your inaccurate observation by changing the subject. I'd expect that of one particular poster but not you.

As the old saying goes, there is more than one way to skin cat, for example

The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Ir!n-contras), also referred to as Irangate, Contragate or Iran-Contra-Gate, was a political scandal in the United States that came to light in November 1986. During the Reagan administration, senior Reagan administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo.[1] Some U.S. officials also hoped that the arms sales would secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair