Working Out Annual Leave

HappyMJ

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

our holiday policey is ( for full timers ) 28 days including bank holidays,

we never work a bank holiday.

part timers... I have allways said its 28 days for full timers, and part timers are pro-rata, part timers allways get paid their normal wqrking hours for a bank holiday,

but now it has been explained.. I can tell the part timers they are entitled to 28 days per year (including all bank holidays) so basically it is 28 days of what ever daily hours they work YES?

so what about the person who only works 4 hours a day for 4 days?

It's still 28 days but as they work 4 days which is 80% of 5 days then it's 80% of 28 days so 22.4 days per year at 4 hours per day.

Premier_2

Suarez wrote: »

We are having a discussion in work about how to work out annual leave for part time workers.

Example.

We have employees working 11 hours per week as well as people doing 37.5.

For the 37.5 they would get 150 hours (20 days) and 60 hours (8 days) bank holiday.

Now for someone working the 11 hours they would get 44 hours and 18 hours bank holidays. What if they don't work on a bank holiday?

If the full time permies get 20 days holiday per year, then why shouldn't the equivilent part time employees also get 20 days off per year?

Ok, so the permies probably work 7.5h/day, so their holiday pay should normally consist of 7.5h pay (assuming no other agreement is in place).
Likewise, if a part-timer only normally works 2 hours per day, they should get paid 2 hours for each authorised day off they have shouldn't they?

Each person really should have how this affects them already explained within their own contract of employment.

Savvy_Sue

Uncertain wrote: »

The full time allowance of 28 days equates to 5.6 working weeks.

If a person regularly works four days per week then they still get 5.6 or their 4 days weeks as holiday which equals 22.4 days per year.

And note that you can round up, or do it exactly, but you can't round down ...

Personally I'd round up to 22.5, or do it in hours ...

molerat

We used to pay (or time off) 1/5th of a working week for pt's who were not contracted to work on a bh. We worked bh's.

LittleVoice

molerat wrote: »

We used to pay (or time off) 1/5th of a working week for pt's who were not contracted to work on a bh. We worked bh's.

So you were actually not giving them their proper holiday entitlement.

If someone works 4 days a week, never on a Monday (the majority of bank holidays being on Mondays), then they are never due payment for those bank holiday Mondays and do not need to take a paid holiday to take the time off.

Their equivalence for a bank holiday given to a full-time worker is a day off from the ones they would normally work in a week.

molerat

Sorry, this was before the new 28 day rule.

patman99

Surely if you work 4 (or even 5) days a week but never work a Monday, then, (apart from Christmas Day/Boxing Day/New Years Day), you are not entitled to anything. After all, you are already off.

Speaking as someone who is (at the moment) an Agency worker who's Agency do not pay for any B/H's (they used to, but stopped after the introduction of AWR), I do find it disgusting that the minimum 28 days for full-timers does not exclude b/h's.

HappyMJ

patman99 wrote: »

Surely if you work 4 (or even 5) days a week but never work a Monday, then, (apart from Christmas Day/Boxing Day/New Years Day), you are not entitled to anything. After all, you are already off.

Speaking as someone who is (at the moment) an Agency worker who's Agency do not pay for any B/H's (they used to, but stopped after the introduction of AWR), I do find it disgusting that the minimum 28 days for full-timers does not exclude b/h's.

You may need to apply for a day of annual leave on the bank holiday to get it paid.

coupleuk

"cabbage" gave the best link for all of this - but didnt explain anything when he/she posted the link so it got ignored.

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?topicId=1079427399

Use the above as it is very easy and very straight-forward.

LittleVoice

patman99 wrote: »

I do find it disgusting that the minimum 28 days for full-timers does not exclude b/h's.

What do you mean? You want 28 days plus the bank holidays for full-time staff?

The WTRs originally gave staff 3 weeks (15 days) and then 4 weeks (20 days). The legislators thought that employers would give bank holidays in addition but employers saw the means of not doing that. So the WTRs were amended to add on the equivalent of 8 bank holidays. They did this in two stages, an extra 4 days each.

So if you want the bank holiday entitlement to be in addition to the normal paid leave entitlement, the basic entitlement would come back to 4 weeks.

Or perhaps your statement meant something else which I have not understood.

When I began work I got 2 weeks annual leave plus 5 bank holidays (in England we didn't have new year holiday and there was a Whitsuntide holiday instead of two bank holidays in May and my employer expected us to work on the bank holiday at the beginning of August or take it out of our 2 weeks). I'm very pleased that my holiday entitlement is now almost double - and is due to increase again after Christmas Eve.