HDMI DVD Player DivX Mpeg 4 £41.11 (+P&P)!!!

jamief

replicant69 wrote:

I agree, Dvd upscalers DO WORK and they are fantastic!!
I purchased my one for £120 as awarded by 'What HiFi magazine', I also purchased the Qunex HDMI cable to ensure 100% performance and the difference is outstanding. 720P is my preffered setting although 1080i is also just as great.....

I tested Shrek on both my dvd players, one HDMI and one through scart, the HDMI showed clearly more crystal water levels in one scene, shimmering effects and detailed visual of the bottom of the lake, where as my scart dvd player was just a blurred effect in the same scene.

To say they do not work is RUBBISH, the moment I put a dvd in I noticed the difference. I agree that they can not make a normal dvd true HD but thats not what they do, it just makes what is available display a lot clearer by putting in the fake information, hence the 720p & 1080i.

I cant comment on this post of this dvd player for £40, my post is just to back up that upscalers do work and are great!

Hi, I'm sorry to disappoint you about your HDMI cable, but you paid 10x too much for a HDMI cable if you bought a "branded" one

HDMI cables are digital, meaning there is no signal degradation as there is with an analogue cable (i.e. scart). What this means in effect is that there is no difference between a £5 HDMI cable and £40 one. If you have any doubts about what I'm saying, see https://www.avforums.com.

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A digital signal is still sent over an analogue means, a processor at the other end decides if it was a 1 or a 0.. if the digital signal degrades then the processor cannot decide. Most systems will compensate for certain loss of signal (e.g. freeview when you've got bad reception will go blocky). I'm pretty sure this is a fundamental of all digital signals.

Better cable means less degredation of the analogue signal and less dropped bits.

jamief

ringo_24601 wrote:

A digital signal is still sent over an analogue means, a processor at the other end decides if it was a 1 or a 0.. if the digital signal degrades then the processor cannot decide. Most systems will compensate for certain loss of signal (e.g. freeview when you've got bad reception will go blocky). I'm pretty sure this is a fundamental of all digital signals.

Better cable means less degredation of the analogue signal and less dropped bits.

HDMI, as with all ALL-digital interfaces, is entirely digital. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI if you need more info. At no point does the signal become analogue, hence the Digital in the name. The signal *could* theoretically be degraded over a long enough cable (50m?), however it won't be degraded in normal use. Buy a cheap cable - anything else is a waste of money.

Edit: I see what you are meaning about the signal becoming analogue, when it goes over-the-wire. However, for the distances we are talking about 5-10-15-25m etc, there will be no signal degredation, or such a small amount that it won't matter. It takes a huge amount of attenuation to drop the signal down to half of what it originally was (which is what it would have to be dropped to confuse whether it is a 1 or a 0).

Flimber

blackrat62 wrote:

As is usual the truth lies somewhere between the two extreme opinions on upscaling.

There are a few VERY good upscaling DVD players for under £100 - notably the Toshiba SD360E and Philips DVD5960 -the latter available for under £60 at Laskys. Check the reviews.

If you have a good quality DVD player already you may not see much of an improvement -its up to you.

Huh ? I thought Laskys died about fifteen years ago !

Flimber

jamief wrote:

...If you have any doubts about what I'm saying, see www.avforums.com.

Where you'll just find angry disagreement on just about any subject relating to AV.

jamief

Flimber wrote:

Where you'll just find angry disagreement on just about any subject relating to AV.

You can find angry disagreement on just about every subject on the internet if you look around. There are a lot of well-informed people at AV Forums, if you take the time to do a bit of research and ask the right questions you will get good answers. If you want instant answers to all your questions without doing any reading yourself, I'd advise you go elsewhere!

replicant69

jamief wrote:

Hi, I'm sorry to disappoint you about your HDMI cable, but you paid 10x too much for a HDMI cable if you bought a "branded" one

HDMI cables are digital, meaning there is no signal degradation as there is with an analogue cable (i.e. scart). What this means in effect is that there is no difference between a £5 HDMI cable and £40 one. If you have any doubts about what I'm saying, see https://www.avforums.com.

No dissapointment from my side whatsoever, the cable does its job and was tested and rated by various techies who not only test the signal it carries but other effecting factors such as shielding from other power supplies/cables. My opinion, yes the cable does make a difference.

From your previous posts you're completely ANTI hdmi, anti upconversion players and so on..... obviously all the magazines and top techies have it wrong and you have it right, why the hell didnt I listen to you from the start!?

Oh......... all that money wasted!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

jamief

replicant69 wrote:

No dissapointment from my side whatsoever, the cable does its job and was tested and rated by various techies who not only test the signal it carries but other effecting factors such as shielding from other power supplies/cables. My opinion, yes the cable does make a difference.

From your previous posts you're completely ANTI hdmi, anti upconversion players and so on..... obviously all the magazines and top techies have it wrong and you have it right, why the hell didnt I listen to you from the start!?

Oh......... all that money wasted!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I'm sorry, but what the HELL are you talking about?

Where have I mentioned anything about being anti HDMI or upscaling players????

The only thing I am ANTI- is people being ripped off by buying £50 cables when a £5 cable will do the job. Please read my posts before you start tarring me with the wrong brush.

And yes, if you're going to be rude, you did waste however much money on a "branded" hdmi cable, when a £5 one does EXACTLY the same job.

replicant69

jamief wrote:

I'm sorry, but what the HELL are you talking about?

Where have I mentioned anything about being anti HDMI or upscaling players????

The only thing I am ANTI- is people being ripped off by buying £50 cables when a £5 cable will do the job. Please read my posts before you start tarring me with the wrong brush.

And yes, if you're going to be rude, you did waste however much money on a "branded" hdmi cable, when a £5 one does EXACTLY the same job.

Someone creates a post offering a HDMI upscaling dvd player, people add their comments, views, opinions.... not a problem, thats what the forums are for to help people make their decisions. BUT you start telling me the cables dont make a difference and ive been ripped off, then yes I do have a problem... I done my research before making my purchase, I made my decision based on my findings and magazine readings, so when you start paying my wages then please advise what I should or shouldnt buy.
My apologies if I have offended you BUT my original post was advising people of my own personal set up, experience with both my cable & player, I was also backing up the fact they do their job and are not a waste of money, nothing more.

jamief

replicant69 wrote:

Someone creates a post offering a HDMI upscaling dvd player, people add their comments, views, opinions.... not a problem, thats what the forums are for to help people make their decisions. BUT you start telling me the cables dont make a difference and ive been ripped off, then yes I do have a problem... I done my research before making my purchase, I made my decision based on my findings and magazine readings, so when you start paying my wages then please advise what I should or shouldnt buy.
My apologies if I have offended you BUT my original post was advising people of my own personal set up, experience with both my cable & player, I was also backing up the fact they do their job and are not a waste of money, nothing more.

Yes, you did offend me, by claiming I was anti-HDMI (which is a ridiculous suggestion, as HDMI is merely an interface between 2 devices), and by claiming I was anti-upscaling players (which I certainly am not, owning one myself).

I was merely trying to point out that unlike analogue only interfaces (such as the scart cables we have all owned in the past), HDMI is fully digital, meaning (for all intents and purposes), there will be no signal degradation, and very little attenuation within the cable. This is the same whether it is a £5 cable or a £100 cable; the signal either gets through or it doesn't, there is no "degradation" of signal.

Here's a small test - buy a £5 HDMI cable from the internet, then get your wife or partner to randomly change the cables about for a week. I'll bet you don't notice a difference; the reason being; there is no difference, exactly the same signal is coming out the TV end of both cables.

In summary - I wasn't criticising HDMI, nor was I criticising Upscaling players. I was criticising companies who charge £50 - £100 for a HDMI cable and claim they give a better picture than a cheap cable.