Off peak travel cards

Livingthedream

Brian_The_Lion wrote: »

Is that because the railcard can only be used at a railway station office and not the underground?

Yes, you can still purchase Travelcards from an Underground station but if you want the railcard discount then one has to purchase it from a railway station.

IanD

Livingthedream wrote: »

Yes, you can still purchase Travelcards from an Underground station but if you want the railcard discount then one has to purchase it from a railway station.

This isn't stated on the TfL website. They just say you can get the discount if you have various railcards.


"Holders of the following:

• Gold Card
• Network Railcard
• Family and Friends Railcard
• HM Forces Railcard
  can buy a Zones 1-9 Off-Peak Day Travelcard after 10:00 for just £2 each for up to four children travelling with them"

Probably explains why staff at KX/StPan underground station refused to give me a discount last week though. Fortunately, I only needed a child cash single (also £2) to get us home so didn't pay over the odds.

If you look at the TfL website "Tickets" section under "Discounts for Adults" it actually says:

If you are eligible to buy one of the following National Railcards:

• 16-25 Railcard
• Senior Railcard
• HM Forces Railcard
• Disabled Persons Railcard
• Annual Gold Railcard
• Network Railcard
• Family & Friends Railcard

You can get:

• Discounts on some off-peak travel on Tube, DLR, London Overground and National Rail services in London

which implies that you don't actually have to buy the railcards. As just about everyone except perhaps under 16s are 'eligible' to buy railcards then the discounts should be available to everyone

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/18343.aspx

Livingthedream

IanD wrote: »

This isn't stated on the TfL website. They just say you can get the discount if you have various railcards.

It's quoted on the Family and Friends Railcard FAQ's

11. Can I use my Railcard for tickets for travel on the London Underground? When you buy discounted rail tickets using your Railcard for London mainline train stations, they are valid for use on the London Underground if you need to use the tube to get to the mainline train station. Off-Peak Travelcards (All Zones only) are also available, subject to a minimum fare.
However, we’re sorry that you can’t use your Railcard to get a discount when buying tickets from a London Underground booking office.

Conflicting online info whatever next.

IanD

Livingthedream wrote: »

Conflicting online info whatever next.

Precisely - wouldn't hurt Tfl to make it clear and would have saved me an argument.

If I read the first part of the response to Q11 correctly, if I purchase (eg) Advance tickets from Euston to Edinburgh, I can actually use them from my local tube station (Blackhorse Road) to get to Euston as well?? I've never heard that before! If it's true, does it apply to all to all tickets from London to Wherever and on the return as well? I always thought you had to buy 'London U12xxx' tickets to do this.

Livingthedream

IanD wrote: »

Precisely - wouldn't hurt Tfl to make it clear and would have saved me an argument.

I know, always a kick in the happy sack when that happens :beer:

IanD wrote: »

If I read the first part of the response to Q11 correctly, if I purchase (eg) Advance tickets from Euston to Edinburgh, I can actually use them from my local tube station (Blackhorse Road) to get to Euston as well?? I've never heard that before! If it's true, does it apply to all to all tickets from London to Wherever and on the return as well? I always thought you had to buy 'London U12xxx' tickets to do this.

Lol, rereading the Family and Friends statement again I can see where the confusion occurs. IMHO I would say your ticket needs to have 'Zone U12* Londn' to get the one way underground trip to Euston but for a definite answer one would say repost on the RailUK forum.

AirlieBird

Unless it's changed this year you can purchase a discount travelcard from tube ticket offices. I did so when I had a Network Railcard last year. I think that FAQ is meant to get across you can't use your railcard to get a discount on single/return journey tickets when purchased at a tube ticket office.

Brian_The_Lion

I'll be in london for a few days in Jan. Im a holder of a friends & family railcard and will be travelling with a 13yr old. Im still trying to fathom out my cheapest options. I arrive in Euston on a sat, need a day ticket of some sort for sat/sun/mon and then ill need a pre 9.30 single fare for an adult & child from edmonton to Kings Cross (zones 1-4) for the tues morning. During Sat/Sun/Mon Tube travel isnt essential, but is probably essential for the tuesday morning. Would my cheapest option be to get myself an adult PAYG oyster card under the assumption that I might use the bus a lot and is it possible to purchase a child travelcard for the day with my F&F railcard for £2? or do I have to also buy a travelcard too to get the child discount?

any suggestions are gratefully appreciated.

IanD

An adult oyster card would probably be the best option for you - you have to pay a deposit but this is refunded if you return the card when you're finished with it. All the travel you do during the day will be capped at the cost of an appropriate daily travelcard. From January 2nd, this would be £7 if you use the tube/national rail and bus in zones 1 and 2 only off peak (ie after 9:30 and all day weekends/bank holidays). If you travel out to zone 4 then it would cap at £7.70. If you just use the bus ONLY then the daily price cap is £4.20 regardless of time and zones used. Oyster allegedly works out the best fare for you so if you use the bus all day and then just make a single journey on the tube you'll be charged at the bus cap + the cost of the single journey if this would be less than the £7/£7.70 price cap!

There is a child version of the Oyster card which you can order on-line but there is a non-refundable £10 admin fee for this. It's worth considering if you are planning lots of trips to London before your 13 year old is 16 (I think it expires at the end of the August following their 16th birthday but could be wrong!). This has allows free travel on buses and a 70p off peak fare on most tube and rail journey in zones 1 to 6 with a £1.40 price cap.

You can buy child travel cards for £2 with your F&F card - there is some debate as to where you can get them though as you can see above! Note that from 2nd January, on weekdays these are only available from 10am onwards.

Regarding travel to KX on the Tuesday, this would depend on where you are staying in Edmonton.

An adult single fare from Edmonton Green to KX would be £4.90 with your Oyster card. For some reason, the TfL fare finder does not show the cash single child fare. RedSpottedHanky shows a single from Edmonton Green to Seven Sisters at £1.15 so presumably it would be more than that if you add the tube fare!

You should be OK from 7 Sisters on the Victoria Line as quite a few services start from there rather than coming through from Walthamstow (those trains are generally rammed).

Brian_The_Lion

IanD wrote: »

An adult oyster card would probably be the best option for you - you have to pay a deposit but this is refunded if you return the card when you're finished with it. All the travel you do during the day will be capped at the cost of an appropriate daily travelcard. From January 2nd, this would be £7 if you use the tube/national rail and bus in zones 1 and 2 only off peak (ie after 9:30 and all day weekends/bank holidays). If you travel out to zone 4 then it would cap at £7.70. If you just use the bus ONLY then the daily price cap is £4.20 regardless of time and zones used. Oyster allegedly works out the best fare for you so if you use the bus all day and then just make a single journey on the tube you'll be charged at the bus cap + the cost of the single journey if this would be less than the £7/£7.70 price cap!

There is a child version of the Oyster card which you can order on-line but there is a non-refundable £10 admin fee for this. It's worth considering if you are planning lots of trips to London before your 13 year old is 16 (I think it expires at the end of the August following their 16th birthday but could be wrong!). This has allows free travel on buses and a 70p off peak fare on most tube and rail journey in zones 1 to 6 with a £1.40 price cap.

You can buy child travel cards for £2 with your F&F card - there is some debate as to where you can get them though as you can see above! Note that from 2nd January, on weekdays these are only available from 10am onwards.

Regarding travel to KX on the Tuesday, this would depend on where you are staying in Edmonton.

An adult single fare from Edmonton Green to KX would be £4.90 with your Oyster card. For some reason, the TfL fare finder does not show the cash single child fare. RedSpottedHanky shows a single from Edmonton Green to Seven Sisters at £1.15 so presumably it would be more than that if you add the tube fare!

You should be OK from 7 Sisters on the Victoria Line as quite a few services start from there rather than coming through from Walthamstow (those trains are generally rammed).

Thanks a lot for the above info. This is the first time ive stayed in london which hasnt had a nearby tube station. Couldnt knock it back for the price mind, lol.

Think this oyster route might be worth taking... Trains from Glasgow seem to be getting cheaper and cheaper so Im hoping to make a few trips a year with a bit of luck!

AirlieBird

No debate on where these can be purchased from.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14310.aspx (Click on How much can I save]

TfL wrote:

Travelcards for £2


Children aged under 16 who do not have a Zip Oyster photocard can buy an Off-Peak Zones 1-9 Day Travelcard for £2 if they are travelling with an adult who has a valid:

• Gold Card
• Network Railcard
• Family and Friends Railcard
• HM Forces Railcard

Accompanying adults need to show their Railcard/Gold Card to buy an Off-Peak Zones 1-9 Travelcard for just £2 each for each child. The Railcard/Gold Card holder must have a valid ticket to travel.

They are available from Tube, London Overground and National Rail station ticket offices and Travel Information Centres.

For most of these cards, the reduced price tickets cannot be bought before 10:00. There are also restrictions on minimum fares Monday to Friday.