LPG or Oil??

adr0ck

another option is to buy your tank yourself and then pay a company to maintain it for you (which will cost extra) and then you could shop around for prices

david29dpo

i pay 30.9 ppl with a local company. like a said, calor is rip off.

frankie

Cheers Guys

I always thought I was being ripped off by Calor, but I am stuck with their tank. However I'm not on a fixed term contract or anything.

adr0ck, do you have a bulk tank from Flogas? Interested because they have a depot in my area.
adr0ck, any source of info ref changes in September? Very interested in that.


david29dpo, do you have a bulk tank or do you get bottles from your local supplier?



All good info, thanks.

david29dpo

i have a bulk tank, 1500ls

adr0ck

frankie yes i've got a bulk tank

just started....therefore my rate could go up ...however been advised that it would only go up to market average which is currently i'm told 31p

adr0ck

flogas advised me that the law is changing in September this year

i don't really know any more details ...i'll see if i can find out

Gez_W

Hi Jon,

This website may prove useful to compare the energy options available:

https://www.ruralfuel.co.uk

This site explains how the current rules, currently governed both by the LPG Association and the terms of the Supply Agreement, will change:

http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/inquiries/current/gas/index.htm

Before you sign a supply agreement with Calor, shop around. I used to work in the industry so if you tell me where you are based I shall try to recommend the most competitive suppliers. We are based in Yorkshire and use the company below, at 27p per litre:

https://www.innergylpg.co.uk


Gez

frankie

Hi Gez

Thanks for the info. Looks like the CC findings will be implemented around May time?

I live in East Cornwall so if you could let me know of competitive suppliers I'd be grateful. However, I am not a 'new customer' having been with Calor since moving to my present home some 19 years back.

Frank

moplet_2

There are things called 'Sutherland Tables' - these allow to compare costs for different fuels and can be used to compare operating costs in a particular type of dwelling. I saw one for the first time this week and it was quite an eye opener and has definitely made me look at LPG in a different (more expensive) light.

I think you have to buy the table - not sure how much, but if not too huge the investment could pay for itself (see link below). If you visit the website you can view sample comparisons. If you download a sample extract, you'll be faced with a plethora of samples - click on the one entitled 'UK national averages'

http://www.sutherlandtables.co.uk/

Alternatively it might be worth giving your local government-funded energy efficiency advice centre a call first (0800 512 012) as they may have access to the tables. They can also tell you about grants for things like insulation, to keep your heating loss down.

Before going for climate-changing-at-the-mercy-of-the-oil-companies LPG or oil, I would consider other fuel sources such as biomass or ground source heat pumps. And - if you're lucky - you can get a DTI grant towards the cost of these systems: https://www.lowcarbonbuildings.org.uk
Grants are offered on a first come, first served basis every month.

harryhound

Hi there both of you.

If you do an advanced search on my name, you will find I did a post earlier today about the long term decision you are about to make.

All I would add is "oil smells". So if you are putting it in the outhouse no problem, but be very careful of letting the stuff get into your habitable rooms. Just like back in the 60's, you might not notice but a visitor or house buyer can walk into a home and go "paraffin" or "oil" the moment they open their nose. Mind you "wet dog" might disguise it.

I have been looking through the entries in this part of the forum and this is the first reference to GSHP. Do you know anything about this widely used technology in Sweden ? The message seems to be that you must spend lots on insulation and if possible put in underfloor rather than large radiators if you can.

It is going mainstream in this country, three years ago there were 300 installations and now it is well over 3000.

http://www.iceenergy.co.uk/

These people were pushing the market BUT BOSCH have recently taken over their supplier and there are rapid changes taking place. I spoke to Worcester-Bosch a month ago but the UK staff did not have clue about their new product. (They do have a video of it being put into their MD's house !).

I have been keeping a watching brief on this developing market for 3 years now and chanting the civil servants prayer "Please God don't let me be first".
I think I will start my own thread on GSHP's, what I really need to do is find someone who already has my proposed solution: a GSHP with a log burner in the living room for the dark mid winter, when the GSHP won't be man enough for the job on its own.

My misgivings are:

Can I get my insulation levels high enough ?
Can my electricity supply cope with the starting current ?
Have you seen the size of the back up immersion heater built into the GSHP ?
Just how noisy is this big fridgefreezer like thing - could I get away with putting it in its own brickbuilt larder type room leading off the hall? (I've got my washer and drier in the bathroom !).

If you have any thoughts on GSHP please private message me (or post here if of general interest) - I will be having a go at starting my own thread in a week or two to see just how many of the 3,000 are MSE's !)

Join the Swedes, the Austrians, the Germans and the French putting in one unit of electricity and getting out 4 units of heat ????????

Regards,

Harry.

PS Sorry Betty II, I think the one you are putting in your pond will be much too powerful for my modest hovel, so not terribly relevant for my installation.
Was it the boy's idea ?