'Child Support Maintenance Calculation Regulations 2012' - consultation period

owestyo

Hi All
My daughter is 14 and I have been paying the CSA right from the start even though I was with her mum because I knew it was a matter of time before it went pear shaped. (Anyway that’s a different story)
I have a DMP at the moment so cash is tight but I have been part time since may (due to health reasons) and the wife has gone full time. I’m in two minds on telling the CSA or not. I hate talking to them and fear a surprise when the look into my account. Part of me feels I should lie low and stay out of their line of sight.
Will they charge me more do you think? I have literally taken my wife’s old wage and her mine if that makes sense.
Cheers

clearingout

Blob wrote: »

The law states that there is no time limit on the repayment of arrears, so to then try to impose one is acting against the law and the will of Parliament, it is that simple! As I say if the arrears are there as a result of the proven incompetence of the people that work at the CSA then they are responsible for them and not the the NRP. If this was brought in you can bet they would pick up their game and get it correct first time, or they would be making themselves homeless in the process. This would mean that the CS would be sorted and the kids would not go short, the PWCs would get their money and the NRPs would not be presented with bills that would run a small country let alone support children. So all would win!

If people are going self employed, again this is a matter for the gov to sort as they are now trying to get people to go that way rather than on benefits. As self employed in this current economic situation incomes are not constant. I talk to the sub-contractors that work for the company I work at and they have all seen their income fall recently, you also have to remember that the number of business that are failing at this time is on the rise, and as we look to be on the point as a country of getting thrown out of the EU, this will possibly only get worse as we export about 50% of all our exports to the EU! Some of the larger employers are now taking on Agency workers that are all self employed rather than take on people full time as it is easier for them to get rid of them.

with the best will in the world, people make mistakes. Not sure I can agree with the idea that the CSA staff should be personally liable, but I get the point!

I am fully aware that we are in the throws of a recession and that people at all levels, across all sectors, are facing difficulties. It doesn't fundamentally change the fact that there will always be a number of NRPs who willfully avoid paying maintenance. Again, why on earth should the PWC have to juggle their budgets for years on end to be faced with repayments of £10 a month in these circumstances? For this reason, I agree with the 2 year steer and struggle to see why I should 'care' an NRP is struggling when no one gives two hoots that as a PWC I am struggling and that there is a negative impact on our children as a result!

Light_Speed_Cruiser

clearingout wrote: »

Not sure I can agree with the idea that the CSA staff should be personally liable,

If a lawyer gets it wrong then he is personally liable. Thats why they carry Professional Indemnity insurance. Police officers pay with their careers and lose all their pension rights. Doctors as well, to name a few more.

So why not CSA staff? they CAN and DO screw up peoples lives and their careers. Giving them immunity only encourages them to defraud NRPs.

A cheated NRP can either, sign on and become a burden on the state, emigrate and the UK loses a taxpayer, and worse still, sign on AND work - and the damage is impossible to calculate, since by design, benefit cheats protect themselves from detection.

Making the CSA staff liable for fraud is for the greater good of everyone in Great Britain Plc.

Blob

The simple reason for the 2 year steer being unlawful and there for a non entity, is that it states in the law that there is no time frame set for the repayment of arrears. It seems that some people are willing to use the Law to their advantage, and that is on both sides of the coin, but remember the CSA was founded in law. It has lost its way since then as its aims at out set were not to benefit kids but the gov! Thought the law is the law and policy cant change that, if it can than why have we in this country got the legal system and laws that are the envy of many countries, it is that simple, the law must prevail as written and not as some civil servant thinks it should be written.

Personally I have been to parts of the world where the only law is the gun, I don't want that here do you that want to go outside the Law?

PreludeForTimeFeelers

The Government's response to the consultation on the draft regulations has now been published, and the pdf is available from the CMEC site;
http://www.childmaintenance.org/en/publications/index.html

There have been some interesting decisions made, including the flat rate increasing to £10. Also, the reduction for relevant other children will be less than the figure used for calculation purposes, to bring the 'value' of children more in line. In cases where there is equal care, child maintenance won't be paid.

kevin137

About time shared care was recognised that it is exactly that, shared care and costs...

Some good news has come out of the CSA for now... The only problem being that shared care will now move it's goal posts, as it is never exactly equal... I can see the original PWC now moving the goal posts and creating for the NRP so as to keep receiving money, and then it is the kids that will miss out again...

Shame, but guess that is the result of there decision rather than what should be right...

Lets hope not too many people get there access reduced because of the financial implications...

Blob

Just had a very quick look, I did not see any changes in the Law mentioned, and when it gets to a Court of Law that is what a Judge will look at not a 'Plan'!

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Blob wrote: »

Just had a very quick look, I did not see any changes in the Law mentioned, and when it gets to a Court of Law that is what a Judge will look at not a 'Plan'!

Here's a link to the consultation about the Draft Regulations specifically, try reading this.

http://www.childmaintenance.org/en/news/article39.html

mum2one

clearingout wrote: »

Kevin - nothing personal. I find your posts challenging so I respond! I know you have expressed disgust at those NRPs who refuse any support towards their children whatsoever and I have every respect for that. I also know that CSA is a law unto itself and can understand that lives are damaged as a result. But it works both ways - whilst they're chasing you and Blob and others, they're not chasing my ex and it's my children who suffer as a result. So I will shout about it 'cos that's not fair either.

def agree re the csa being a law until themselves, my ex won't pay and I get accused of asking for the money my daughter is owed, he has to be a chance to pay, what nearly 10 years!!