'Child Support Maintenance Calculation Regulations 2012' - consultation period

kevin137

"There probably have been suicides and murders as a result of the CSA. Perhaps they still occur, with the CSA being "the final straw". "

Very hard to pinpoint exact causes i know, but come on, you honestly believe that if people go through some of the !!!! they do with the CSA that they wouldn't commit suicide...

Forget statistics.... Think about how many people commit suicide because a relationship breaks up, then think if you are string enough to survive that, then you lose your kids, you may just survive that, but now the CSA start taking everything you have left, your home, your car, your ability to spend quality time with your kids because you have no money left....

You get my point...?

I understand that they may not be directly responsible for every case...! But they have a part to play in it, which is why you used to give the reply that i must notify the police if you are saying you will kill yourself...

Given that you actually used to do that, have you not admitted that you have a duty of care...??? I wonder how a court would see that, i'm sure there are many recorded conversations around where that has been stated, admitting that you DO have a duty...!

Man up and take it like every other business or government agency has too...!

fannyanna

Edited to say that I can now access the paper.


Is anyone else struggling to access this paper?

As an NRPP who plans to have children with an NRP I'm very interested to read the section that's relevant to question 6:

Question Six
Do you agree that the percentage rates applied for relevant other children should be reduced to produce a more equal treatment of children in first and second families?

clearingout

kevin137 wrote: »

"There probably have been suicides and murders as a result of the CSA. Perhaps they still occur, with the CSA being "the final straw". "

Very hard to pinpoint exact causes i know, but come on, you honestly believe that if people go through some of the !!!! they do with the CSA that they wouldn't commit suicide...

Forget statistics.... Think about how many people commit suicide because a relationship breaks up, then think if you are string enough to survive that, then you lose your kids, you may just survive that, but now the CSA start taking everything you have left, your home, your car, your ability to spend quality time with your kids because you have no money left....

a) how many post-2003 NRP suicides have coroner records which state that the CSA may have had a part to play?
b) how many people are hounded annually by their banks, credit card companies, store card companies, loan companies, etc. etc. and commit suicide? are the specific companies who the dead person was in debt to named in coroner court records as having been responsible, directly or otherwise, for the person's suicide?
c) how many PWC lose their homes and struggle to pay debts post-separation? if the lack of CSA action in securing regular maintenance payments for their children ever recorded in coroner court records as a reason for their suicide should it come to that?

fannyanna

kevin137 wrote: »

Very hard to pinpoint exact causes i know, but come on, you honestly believe that if people go through some of the !!!! they do with the CSA that they wouldn't commit suicide...

It really wouldn't surprise me that people commit suicide as a direct result of the CSA.

But I think as clearingout highlights as with anything CSA related there are losers on both sides of the fence.

fannyanna

Having had a brief look at the paper I have a question.

With regards to question 6 and the reduction being made for relevant other children (I think that was the term used) they have proposed changing things so that going forward rather than having a like for like reduction (as in you pay 15% maintenance for a child but if you have another at home there's a 15% reduction) they're proposing chaning this to 11% (rather than 12%). But what if there's more than one relevant child. Then what would the percentage be?

Hope I make sense!

kevin137

I was not saying that it is ONLY the CSA that is responsible, but they do have a part to play in it, named in a coroners court or not...!

I don't know why you seem to pick on every post i make clearingout, but it appears that you think i may be here to cause trouble...! Having dealt with the CSA on a regular basis for over 5 years, and seeing what lies they have told, what devious tactics they used, and how they manipulate the system there to serve children (apparently) i think i have a right to be slightly biased towards them being complete aresholes and totally against NRP's...!

As others have clearly pointed out on this forum, when the Prime Minister of this so called Great Country of ours, slates NRP's as being losers who have no place in society... What chance do we have...?

I left the country, now they cannot hound me, yes still, even now, they continue to get things wrong, including the lies they told to the court when they applied for the liability order against me, stating that i did in fact live in the UK, when i clearly have a letter from them dated prior to this saying i do not...! How many complaints have i made, in the hundreds.... Am i proud of this... No. All i ever wanted was to pay what i had to pay for my son and be left alone to get on with my life... The CSA could not do this, there own rules state what you HAVE to do, so i did them, this in turn caused problems because they had to make my case clerical, leading to more problems, then having it moved between 7 different addresses that they trade from, for various different reasons, made it even worse...

They are the most incompetent waste of space i have ever come across... So much so that i took an injunction against them and yes it was granted, and yes the legal action is still going, do i hold them responsible for the mess TOTALLY they do have a duty of care no matter what they say, and even my son is now looking at how he can become involved as they DO have a duty of care to him, and in that they failed miserably...

buttercup73

Blob wrote: »

Worse still they have been found to be responsible for the death of at least 63 people by Coroners Courts!

Anyone else feel that in the reporting of recent family drama the absence of child maintenance being mentioned is a deafening silence?

My ex, the NRP, also became very depressed and suicidal due to how the CSA treated him. It took an intervention by family & friends to make me see the light as I had fallen out with my ex and everything was done through CSA - but it can't be unseen!

Just the fact that Question 6 is being asked already shows that CSA3 really isn't going to let the NRP create a new life for themselves either. Just cause the relationship with your NRP failed and you have kids doesn't mean they have to be squeezed harder if they attempt to move on and have a family with someone else!

I hope more PWC will see the light and bury their hatchets and just close their case and try to make it on their own or set up a private arrangement. You simply can't have flaud organisations treat people this way on your behalf in order to fill your purse with max pennies as you can. Everyone is struggling in the current economy and you can't just destroy someone else's life to have it better for yourself!

clearingout

buttercup73 wrote: »

Anyone else feel that in the reporting of recent family drama the absence of child maintenance being mentioned is a deafening silence?

My ex, the NRP, also became very depressed and suicidal due to how the CSA treated him. It took an intervention by family & friends to make me see the light as I had fallen out with my ex and everything was done through CSA - but it can't be unseen!

Just the fact that Question 6 is being asked already shows that CSA3 really isn't going to let the NRP create a new life for themselves either. Just cause the relationship with your NRP failed and you have kids doesn't mean they have to be squeezed harder if they attempt to move on and have a family with someone else!

I hope more PWC will see the light and bury their hatchets and just close their case and try to make it on their own or set up a private arrangement. You simply can't have flaud organisations treat people this way on your behalf in order to fill your purse with max pennies as you can. Everyone is struggling in the current economy and you can't just destroy someone else's life to have it better for yourself!

buttercup - I for one would love to set up a private arrangement, but my ex won't agree to it. So either I go it alone or I use the CSA. I can't afford to go it alone, unfortunately (although given that it's now been 3 years, I suppose you could argue that I'm managing) so what choice do I have. My ex has had unfettered access to our children, he took the roof from over our heads, insists I do all the running around when access does take place (not very often) and refuses to make any contribution, direct or otherwise. I do not intend to let him get away with it. If that makes him depressed then frankly, he has no one but himself to blame!

clearingout

kevin137 wrote: »

I don't know why you seem to pick on every post i make clearingout, but it appears that you think i may be here to cause trouble...! Having dealt with the CSA on a regular basis for over 5 years, and seeing what lies they have told, what devious tactics they used, and how they manipulate the system there to serve children (apparently) i think i have a right to be slightly biased towards them being complete aresholes and totally against NRP's...!

As others have clearly pointed out on this forum, when the Prime Minister of this so called Great Country of ours, slates NRP's as being losers who have no place in society... What chance do we have...?

Kevin - nothing personal. I find your posts challenging so I respond! I know you have expressed disgust at those NRPs who refuse any support towards their children whatsoever and I have every respect for that. I also know that CSA is a law unto itself and can understand that lives are damaged as a result. But it works both ways - whilst they're chasing you and Blob and others, they're not chasing my ex and it's my children who suffer as a result. So I will shout about it 'cos that's not fair either.

kevin137

clearingout wrote: »

Kevin - nothing personal. I find your posts challenging so I respond! I know you have expressed disgust at those NRPs who refuse any support towards their children whatsoever and I have every respect for that. I also know that CSA is a law unto itself and can understand that lives are damaged as a result. But it works both ways - whilst they're chasing you and Blob and others, they're not chasing my ex and it's my children who suffer as a result. So I will shout about it 'cos that's not fair either.

Fair enough, and i wish you where in a position to actually get some Support from your child father.

I have been through the mill with the CSA and i have to say, while having struggled with lots in my life, this is the one thing that nearly did drive me over the edge, i felt so down that i did actually consider suicide...! And yes i had other financial issues at hand, but it was all made worse by the fact that the CSA where chasing and still are in fact, a debt that did/does not exist...!

And to top it all off, when i split from my ex, i had a credit report at 998 meaning i could get cheap credit if needed, got a great rate on my mortgage, had an overdraft etc if needed, and no i did not use all of these that where available to me, but after 6 months of an imposed DEO because of a supposed arrears of £400 i found that when i actually needed money, my credit rating was shot to sh*t....!!!

Why...? It is very simple, and i am sure others will agree with this own situations, but the simple fact is, when you apply for any credit whatsoever, they look at your wage slips against what you declare as your income... So from the very 1st application which was for a remortgage, something very simple, i had a mortgage on 4.7% and found a deal that gave me fixed for 3 years at 3.9% so i declared my income, supplied my payslips, and all of a sudden my credit rating goes down and the best mortgage i could get was 6%....! Meaning that my mortgage would go up by nearly £90 a month on top of everything else...!

And before you suggest i could of paid the so-called arrears, my money was budgeted to the penny because of the variation in shift work i did, so paying interest on a debt that didn't exist to start with, and having no or very little recourse against the CSA i argued it, which only made the matters worse...! So from arguing a debt of £400 became a debt of £6000 and then £18,000 which is crazy...! When i eventually took the injunction against the CSA nd my employer to have the payments stopped, they argued the debt was £3600 in court, yet just 2 days prior to this they where sending me letters to say they would apply for a LO for £12000 and after the injunction, they where advised by the judge to NOT write to me regarded this debt, they wrote 4 times, and still applied for a LO... They came so close to being held in contempt of court it was unbelievable...!

And in ALL this time, i continued to send them cheques for the payments they said was due. They cashed them all, yet they now say i never paid at all, and then they did apply for an LO for a very inflated amount...!

They are a law unto themselves, and i have nothing but disgust for people who do not pay for there children, what i have also is a hatred for a system that says we can do this this and this, but if we get it wrong, TOUGH...!