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Pechow, the seed content in the NutriBird is unlike most of the seed you would buy in a pet shop or bagged seed in that, as part of the pellets, it is foil bagged and heat sealed.
I know a number of parrots that have succumbed to aspergillosis thanks to the filthy seed found in both pet shop seed AND also the branded bagged seed, so that was an important factor for me.
As with all things to do with parrots, people go with what works for them ... if they own parrots for a number of years and have no health problems at all, then they tend to stick with what they know and that is why it is important and great that, in threads like this, we can all say what we use and then the OP can look into it all and see what feels right for them, what they feel they would be happy to try.
It's not a case of saying "do this, this is the only way" ... it's a case of letting people know what is out there then they can make the eventual decision of what they go for for their own bird.
A lot of people tend to preach and say you have to do this, you have to do that ... which is quite wrong ... !!
At the end of the day, nobody is an expert on parrots ... we just simply don't know enough about them in their wild state to be able to totally replicate their diet etc ... but in my own opinion (not everyone elses as I cannot speak for everyone else or claim to know everything ...) I believe that a pellet diet is an easy way to get the majority of nutrients into them that they need.
Of course then, you go about adding other things to supplement that.
As you can see if you re-read, Pechow ... I do say that Elvis gets other fruits too. Had I wanted to carry on ad infinitum, I would have said he got hard boiled egg yolk mixed in with plain cottage cheese and other things such as spinach (always washed before giving it to him, thanks to some supermarkets rinsing such like in a weak bleach solution) ...
As I say, at day's end, everyone has their own ideas and I wish them all well ... if something works for you, then great, stick with it ... as every day passes there are new ways of thinking coming out about bird diets which is why you need to be on the ball and keep looking round to see what is being said. Because of this though, if you do buy a reference book, do check it isn't an old one because a lot of the original ideas of caring for parrots have been blown out of the water as parrots have aged and have been found to have health problems caused by certain diets/foods etc ...
See what I mean when I said it's a science ... ?!! LOL ...
As you can see if you re-read, YorkiePud, I have those exact same pellets, and know what is in them. I know what you're saying (and for the record, I buy seeds in foil sealed packs too). It's not saying "this is the only way", it's saying "this is the recommended way, here is why". Taken from books, from other owners, from research, the local zoo vets and from my avian vets. If you're saying "pellets with lots of other things" as a diet then I'm not really sure what we're arguing about since I and others wrote that in our previous posts.
RE: Your bird, you wrote "pellets with some fruits", so that is what I had to go on when writing.0 -
~Chameleon~ wrote: »My main concern re OP wanting another bird is her seemingly unsettled lifestyle if she's moving back in with parents and keeping the bird shut in her bedroom. What are her long term future plans and would they accommodate a possible 30-40yr relationship with a parrot, depending on species obviously!
My concern too....
I have many concerns and I think all need to be addressed before the OP enters back into parrot keeping.
How long will she back at her parents..What if the bird bonds more with her dad than her (some birds prefer men) will she take it with her when she moves out even though potentially it would be happier with her Dad? Would her parents want it? She has already said they don't want the cage downstairs
Are her parents willing to put up with the potential mess, noise and destruction - after all it is their house?
Is the bedroom really the best place for it?
How much ACTUAL interaction will it get?
Is the OP sufficiently aware of the parrots needs (she has already had a bird die young and has no knowledge of why - how can she address things that maybe she had done wrong in the past)
What happens to the bird in future should the OP get a partner (the bird might not like him/her). The partner might not like the bird?
What if the OP has kids will there be enough time in her life for kids and the parrot....
What if the OP moves to a property where she can not keep pets?
etc..etc..
As people have said some birds will live for 70 years (some more and some less!)0 -
Pechow, I do assure you that I am not arguing ... we've all posted our own opinions and as such, in an open forum as this, people read them and then take their own decisions based on ALL the info they read, which is how it should be!
Yes, some people do tend to post more "vociferously" and in a seemingly antagonistic manner to others, but I do assure you I have posted all my replies with a smile on my face and with goodwill to the recipient! It's a shame if you feel otherwise, but it's your choice to decide how posts make you feel!
~Chameleon~ I have to agree with you re a bird being kept in a bedroom ... not that we know all the specifics of course, but I don't think mine would be happy to live upstairs out of the way and not be able to see everything that was happening downstairs.
Totally back up the points Mrs_justjohn says ... there are so many ins and outs to consider and more so if you are thinking of taking a bird into someone else's home like that.
Do they realise they won't be able to use scented candles, air freshners, bleach, chemical cleaning solutions and a 1001 other things ... ?
Are they allergic in any way to feathers and dust ... ?
I would never have taken on a parrot if I had to consider other people ... it's a big enough responsibility to take one on yourself, but to bring one into another household and basically turn it upside down to make it parrot-safe ... well, it might cause ructions ... !!
Of course, the OP might get a bird and on meeting it, her parents might fall in love with it and say yes, bring the cage downstairs .... problem is, nobody knows ...
I have to say I haven't owned smaller parrots, but I don't think I would take one on (just my own opinion!) if I couldn't have the cage in the hub of the home so it was part of everything going on. I just can't see how one would take to being in a room alone for the majority of the time ... the problem being that they all need mental stimulation and company and boredom begets problems in all birds ...0 -
Totally back up the points Mrs_justjohn says ... there are so many ins and outs to consider and more so if you are thinking of taking a bird into someone else's home like that.
Do they realise they won't be able to use scented candles, air freshners, bleach, chemical cleaning solutions and a 1001 other things ... ?
Agreed - Can the OP cope with not using furniture polish? It is her parents house - will her parents stop using all their usual household products...No pot pourri, no vacuum fresheners, no hair dye, No house plants where the parrot goes...etc..etc..
Are they allergic in any way to feathers and dust ... ?
Does anyone have asthma? Breathing conditions?
I would never have taken on a parrot if I had to consider other
I have to say I haven't owned smaller parrots, but I don't think I would take one on (just my own opinion!) if I couldn't have the cage in the hub of the home so it was part of everything going on. I just can't see how one would take to being in a room alone for the majority of the time ... the problem being that they all need mental stimulation and company and boredom begets problems in all birds ...
In regard to the last part of your post - I agree. The bird should be in the main 'living area' to ensure the maximum interaction and stimulation....Having said that - For anyone who says that their kitchen is the hub of the home then that too is a no no (keeping a bird in the kitchen!)0 -
Ooopsadaisy, good job you spotted that Mrs_justjohn .... I said hub of the home meaning in the living room where people are mostly ... definitely not in the kitchen ... !! Didn't realise how that might have come over!
Those dratted non-stick pots and pans can release fumes when being used and are hot ... and oven cleaner too ... a big no no ... I know a chap who had two macaws and he moved them upstairs while he used oven cleaner, thinking they would be fine. When he went to bring them downstairs, they were no more ... poor beggars ... people tend to think if they move their birds out of the room they'll be fine but nope ... which is why I big up the steam cleaners on the market that just use water and no chemicals.
I forget the exact ratio, but a bird breathes in more rapidly than we do, so they inhale more of what is in the air than we do ... plus, if their feathers get anything on them they can ingest it whilst preening ... it's a minefield, it really is and we are all learning all the time but my gawd, it is worth it ... I do love my birds!0 -
~Chameleon~ wrote: »My main concern re OP wanting another bird is her seemingly unsettled lifestyle if she's moving back in with parents and keeping the bird shut in her bedroom. What are her long term future plans and would they accommodate a possible 30-40yr relationship with a parrot, depending on species obviously!
'Unsettled' - because I am moving home? Get a grip, and don't make assumptions. I am sure you have moved home before - doesn't mean I am 'unsettled'.
And it will only be in my room when I am out - I said when I am home it will be let out, the only reason I can't have the cage downstairs is because my mum said no!!! I am not simply buying a parrot and shutting it away am I.
And yes thanks I do know the lifespan, I have been researching it and it isn't a problem at all.The more one gets to know of men, the more one values dogs.0 -
Mrs_justjohn wrote: »My concern too....
I have many concerns and I think all need to be addressed before the OP enters back into parrot keeping.
How long will she back at her parents..What if the bird bonds more with her dad than her (some birds prefer men) will she take it with her when she moves out even though potentially it would be happier with her Dad? Would her parents want it? She has already said they don't want the cage downstairs
Are her parents willing to put up with the potential mess, noise and destruction - after all it is their house?
Is the bedroom really the best place for it?
How much ACTUAL interaction will it get?
Is the OP sufficiently aware of the parrots needs (she has already had a bird die young and has no knowledge of why - how can she address things that maybe she had done wrong in the past)
What happens to the bird in future should the OP get a partner (the bird might not like him/her). The partner might not like the bird?
What if the OP has kids will there be enough time in her life for kids and the parrot....
What if the OP moves to a property where she can not keep pets?
etc..etc..
As people have said some birds will live for 70 years (some more and some less!)
You know what? I am sick of asking for advice on here and coming away with a lecture and being made to feel incompetent.
My parents will interact with the bird but I will be the one who spends most time with it, with my job I am only away a few hours at a time before returning home so it won't be left from 9-5 etc.
MY parents know about the noise etc because I have already had a parrot and believe it or not they did come and visit me in my house, they are fine with parrots.
Also I do not want kids so that isn't even in the equation and I have split with people in the past who didn't like my pets and wanted me to chose - I would always choose my pets first. And as for the property thing I would only move somewhere where I can have them - I did it nearly 2 years ago when I first left home and had a dog.
As for the lifespan - does that mean most people shouldn't get a parrot?? Because I am sure you have rehomed parrots to people who will probably die before their parrot?The more one gets to know of men, the more one values dogs.0 -
Pechow, I do assure you that I am not arguing ... we've all posted our own opinions and as such, in an open forum as this, people read them and then take their own decisions based on ALL the info they read, which is how it should be!
Yes, some people do tend to post more "vociferously" and in a seemingly antagonistic manner to others, but I do assure you I have posted all my replies with a smile on my face and with goodwill to the recipient! It's a shame if you feel otherwise, but it's your choice to decide how posts make you feel!
~Chameleon~ I have to agree with you re a bird being kept in a bedroom ... not that we know all the specifics of course, but I don't think mine would be happy to live upstairs out of the way and not be able to see everything that was happening downstairs.
Totally back up the points Mrs_justjohn says ... there are so many ins and outs to consider and more so if you are thinking of taking a bird into someone else's home like that.
Do they realise they won't be able to use scented candles, air freshners, bleach, chemical cleaning solutions and a 1001 other things ... ?
Are they allergic in any way to feathers and dust ... ?
I would never have taken on a parrot if I had to consider other people ... it's a big enough responsibility to take one on yourself, but to bring one into another household and basically turn it upside down to make it parrot-safe ... well, it might cause ructions ... !!
Of course, the OP might get a bird and on meeting it, her parents might fall in love with it and say yes, bring the cage downstairs .... problem is, nobody knows ...
I have to say I haven't owned smaller parrots, but I don't think I would take one on (just my own opinion!) if I couldn't have the cage in the hub of the home so it was part of everything going on. I just can't see how one would take to being in a room alone for the majority of the time ... the problem being that they all need mental stimulation and company and boredom begets problems in all birds ...
Are you people not reading? It will be OUT of its cage most of the time, but when I go to bed it will go with me in my room. I hate the thought of parrots in cages all day which is why it will have free roam when people are in - the cage will only really be for sleeping and for afew hours when I am out - why is that so bad?!?!The more one gets to know of men, the more one values dogs.0 -
Are you people not reading? It will be OUT of its cage most of the time, but when I go to bed it will go with me in my room. I hate the thought of parrots in cages all day which is why it will have free roam when people are in - the cage will only really be for sleeping and for afew hours when I am out - why is that so bad?!?!
This has been a very intense thread, with some serious bird keepers contributing a lot of important information .. Im sure if you read it all through again and make notes, as I myself will, your new parrot will be very happy and healthy indeed
Good luck with your new feathered friend Some days I wake up Grumpy ... Other days I let him lie in.0 -
You know what? I am sick of asking for advice on here and coming away with a lecture and being made to feel incompetent.
Well I'm sick of giving advise to people that come on here, only to be told I am lecturing them... LOL
My parents will interact with the bird but I will be the one who spends most time with it, with my job I am only away a few hours at a time before returning home so it won't be left from 9-5 etc.
I have a bird here that screeches if it is in a room alone when it can here people outside the room. How do you know that your parents will be accepting of that - It is much harder keeping a bird in someone elses home. Your parents set the rules - they ahve already said the cage can't be down stairs!
MY parents know about the noise etc because I have already had a parrot and believe it or not they did come and visit me in my house, they are fine with parrots.
If someone visits my house in the afternoon then they would believe all my birds are mute...LOL If however they were here at dawn or dusk then they would never believe birds could make such a noise. I have an Amazon here that makes a noise like a foghorn between 6.30am - 7.30am and again at about 7pm for 30 mins or so. You don't know how noisy your bird will be or for how long. Like I said it is hard keeping pets in someone elses house.
Also I do not want kids so that isn't even in the equation and I have split with people in the past who didn't like my pets and wanted me to chose - I would always choose my pets first. And as for the property thing I would only move somewhere where I can have them - I did it nearly 2 years ago when I first left home and had a dog.
As for the lifespan - does that mean most people shouldn't get a parrot?? Because I am sure you have rehomed parrots to people who will probably die before their parrot?
No one is saying you shouldn't have a parrot or that you are incompetent. They are merely giving you great advice as to how to look after a parrot to the best of your ability.0
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